I did not say that we have no control over the working conditions. I said we have no control over where products are made. Meaning the country where the manufacture makes the product. I'm not for as I stated before deplorable and unfair working conditions. I don't that was the intent of anyone who commented on this topic when they indicated how much they love their phones and how much having them has contributed to their quality of life. I know that was not the intent of my comment.
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to ab...@michigan.gov You are absolutely correct, it's fine for a phone to be made in China or India or wherever, but you are not correct in saying that we have no control over what working conditions are in place there. Investigative reports have exposed such horrible places often enough or you hear about some tragedy like that fire in a clothing factory in Bangladesh some years ago after which some pretty horrific details came to light about the conditions there and the companies who had clothing made there. We can demand from our companies to set certain standards and, if they don't do so, buy products from a company which does. We live in a global economy and that will not change despite America's current phase of protectionism, it happened before after all, but it's up to every person to set standards for themselves and to expect others with whom we deal whether on a personal level or for the products we buy to also have standards. It's not OK to say "Give me a $299 iPhone and I really don't care how you do it and whether half the components are made by kids who are paid a few cents a day". Fortunately Apple does have standards and if companies do then it may indeed be a blessing if they go to China, India, Vietnam, the Philippines or wherever to make their products, they can still do so cheaper than with lavbour costs here and yet the workers there make a decent living. It's no different with call centers, people often complain about agents who have accents because they are in India or the Philippines, but I doubt those same people would want to pay 50% more for whatever service because the call centers are in the US where the wages are much higher let alone finding enough people for the work. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Laury, Shawnese (LEO) Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:42 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. I cannot speak for others but my comment was in no way to be taken to mean that I think It's ok for anyone to work in deplorable conditions. Most of what we use is made in other countries and we have no control over that. In my opinion it is crazy to get rid of my iPhone because it may have been manufactured in China and buy an android phone that too could have been manufactured in another country. Not all items made in other countries means that the workers are or have been mistreated. I don't think anyone should work in conditions where they are untreated or not being paid for the work that they do. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of alia robinson Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:08 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Phones manufactured. CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to ab...@michigan.gov I cannot for the life of me imagine saying I don’t care where my device is made as long as it makes my life easier. I just..I can’t imagine such blatant disregard for another human being’s plight. makes me sick. On May 5, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: Yes, it absolutely matters where products are made and it matters even more what sort of oversight and accountability is in place. 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