F course I am joking, And no I don't approve of child labour,
But everyone seems to be jumping to the conclusion that these devices are assembled by children, I for one have no proof of this and wouldn't condone it if it was correct, But until such time as that proof is provided I'm going to keep shopping / buying the products I buy. I use apple products because they suit me and what / how I work and they are bloody well made, The only issue I have with apple products is a cost related one as they price their devices at a rate that makes it difficult to keep purchasing as I need to replace. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. So you're condoning child labor? I can only assume that you're joking or trolling. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Simon A Fogarty > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > You also have to remember that small children have finer fingers so > using them to put together mobile phones is a win as they can get > their fingers right in to those tight spaces to put in the screws > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Carolyn > Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > I agree with you, Laury. > > Furthermore, I trust that it is a given that none of us wants to > exploit people less fortunate than we are. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Laury, Shawnese (LEO) > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > I did not say that we have no control over the working conditions. I > said we have no control over where products are made. Meaning the > country where the manufacture makes the product. I'm not for as I > stated before deplorable and unfair working conditions. I don't that > was the intent of anyone who commented on this topic when they > indicated how much they love their phones and how much having them has > contributed to their quality of life. I know that was not the intent of my > comment. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to > [email protected] > > > > You are absolutely correct, it's fine for a phone to be made in China > or India or wherever, but you are not correct in saying that we have > no control over what working conditions are in place there. > Investigative reports have exposed such horrible places often enough > or you hear about some tragedy like that fire in a clothing factory in > Bangladesh some years ago after which some pretty horrific details > came to light about the conditions there and the companies who had > clothing made there. We can demand from our companies to set certain > standards and, if they don't do so, buy products from a company which does. > We live in a global economy and that will not change despite America's > current phase of protectionism, it happened before after all, but it's > up to every person to set standards for themselves and to expect > others with whom we deal whether on a personal level or for the products we > buy to also have standards. > It's not OK to say "Give me a $299 iPhone and I really don't care how > you do it and whether half the components are made by kids who are > paid a few cents a day". Fortunately Apple does have standards and if > companies do then it may indeed be a blessing if they go to China, > India, Vietnam, the Philippines or wherever to make their products, > they can still do so cheaper than with lavbour costs here and yet the > workers there make a decent living. It's no different with call > centers, people often complain about agents who have accents because > they are in India or the Philippines, but I doubt those same people > would want to pay 50% more for whatever service because the call centers are > in the US where the wages are much higher let alone finding enough people for > the work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Laury, Shawnese (LEO) > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Phones manufactured. > > I cannot speak for others but my comment was in no way to be taken to > mean that I think It's ok for anyone to work in deplorable conditions. > > Most of what we use is made in other countries and we have no control > over that. In my opinion it is crazy to get rid of my iPhone because > it may have been manufactured in China and buy an android phone that > too could have been manufactured in another country. Not all items > made in other countries means that the workers are or have been mistreated. > > I don't think anyone should work in conditions where they are > untreated or not being paid for the work that they do. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > alia robinson > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Phones manufactured. > > CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to > [email protected] > > > > I cannot for the life of me imagine saying I don’t care where my > device is made as long as it makes my life easier. I just..I can’t > imagine such blatant disregard for another human being’s plight. makes me > sick. > > On May 5, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, it absolutely matters where products are made and it matters even > more what sort of oversight and accountability is in place. You > mentioned clothing and here it maybe matters even more than with > higher-end technology devices where a certain amount of skilled labour > is required, but even here certain items like headsets, speakers and > other mass-produced items we here in the west are buying and > discarding whenever we don't like them any more or see something we > like better affect the quality of life of the people in the countries > where they are made. 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