Well, the problem as I see it, is that Apple is telling people in the first place that VoiceOver users shouldn't install the beta, which is where the petition is coming from. I didn't see anything in the petition that said the petitioner went ahead and installed the beta and is now whining about it.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf > Of Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 3:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding > disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > Thanks Donna for that explanation. I saw this email, but just now checked it > out. If apple clearly said, don't try this beta on your apple watch until we > fix > voice over problems, then they decided to install it anyway, then they deserve > what problems they got. > > On 8/16/20, CrazyEyez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Honestly, people are dumb. > > They'll start a petition over anything, even if its their fault > > something happened. > > I don't feel bad for you in the least. > > We should start a petition to remove the idiot who started this whole > > mess from the list so they don't clog our emails with their wining. > > Moderator remove this garbage thread please. > > It shows true stupidity. > > Where has the comprehension gone? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 16, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Donna Casteen <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This petition > >> was started because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING > >> to NEVER install beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is > >> YOUR main device! Of course, this person just HAD to have the beta > >> update & installed the beta version on their Apple watch that they > >> RELY on & USE daily! Beta versions of any program WILL have bugs. > >> The fact that Apple is a company that stands behind their products > >> making them accessible for the blind & those with other disabilities, > >> does NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. Nor > >> does this bug prevent those who are blind taking part in the public > >> beta testing process. Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug > >> Associated with ALL Apple watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users > >> with Apple watches of the bug. Apple also informed voiceover users > >> that they were working on fixing the voiceover bug, so that voiceover users > could participate in the public beta testing program. > >> Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing Apple for a problem that > >> they were working toward fixing, is wrong. The Blame solely lies with > >> Apple watch user(s), who in their poor judgement decided to install > >> the public beta on a device, in which is used daily. > >> > >> It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's > >> beta testing program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of > >> the iDevices would always have major bugs, making the iDevices > >> unusable. Apple is a large company. The population that is blind & > >> who use Apple products is very small. If this type of placing blame > >> where it is obvious it does not belong & publically criticizing Apple > >> for something that at the time was out of their control, but Apple > >> was working toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do 1 of 2 > >> things 1. No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing > >> process. Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. > >> Apple throws in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products > >> accessible for such a small population of people. Neither of these > >> scenarios > are in the best interest of blind iDevice users. > >> > >> When beta testing follow Apple's guidelines or otherwise DO NOT > >> complain when your device stops working! > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the V > >> iPhone list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > >> [email protected]. 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