Hello List What puzzles me is that, since I got the iPhone 3GS three years ago with IOS3 we now are with IOS6 and we did not pay a cent and I think this was great value for nothing. While, by comparrison, and this is my personal opinion, we have to pay for each JAWS upgrade and since JAWS 10 my feeling is that we did not get value for money for the upgrades up to the current JAWS 14 and, although there are bugs with each upgrade, for which we pay, no one moans. Regards Fanus
----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: Re: downgrade Hi, your statement isn't really fair. I mean, yes you are entitled to your opinion, but come on, every operating system has bugs in it. iOS 5.0, 5.01, 5.1 and 5.11 were no different. The only reason it's making you upset is because you found one which personally impacts what you want it to do. I get that and I understand your frustration. However if iOS 6 was so bad, then the usage of it wouldn't be up to 62% of iOS customers. That tells me that it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Just so you know for the future, as has been said already, unless you take prior steps to downgrade, you are stuck using the new iOS once you install it. I've had a chance to work with iOS 6 on my wife and daughter's iPhones and it's not that bad, but then again, it's specific bugs I've come across don't impact me personally. If they did, then I'd probably be frustrated too. So, I get that part, but it doesn't mean that Apple is evil and they are not caring or any of that other stuff. -- Raul A. Gallegos The local orphanage called and asked for a donation. So I sent them my kids. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 10/22/2012 9:51 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: > Ricardo, I think that the people installed IOs 6, with > bugs, because > apple uses so much money, making advertisement of the new > good > things, and how wunderful and amazing is the IOs 6. The > problems > comes when the users discover that the new things, and how > wunderful > or amazing is the new IOs 6, is not enough to make a > balance with the > dark side of the new IOs. I mean, apple sold to us the > idea of a > great and nice new IOs 6, but nobody let us know aabout > the bugs, or > the bad side of the IOs 6, or the bad side of the Ios 5.0. > When we > discovered that we were better with the earlyer versions > of IOs, for > xample 5.2, apple doesn;t alow us, to downgrade. It is not > fair. We > are making a hard job, reporting, suffering the bugs, or > wrong things > that the IOs 6 has, but we don't have the permision from > apple, to > downgrade the operated system, of our own devices. Just > because the > earlyer version of IOs was working better than the new > one. Sent from > my iPhone > > On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Ricardo Walker > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I don't disagree with you for the most part but, I don't >> see where >> fairness comes into play. After all, you didn't have to >> upgrade. >> Well, not unless you purchased a device that was already >> running >> IOS 6. Its to Apples advantage to have as much people >> running the >> same OS as possible. This might be one reason why they >> don't want >> people downgrading. >> >> JMO. >> >> Ricardo Walker [email protected] >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:22 PM, "Pablo Morales" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sieghard. I glad that you wrote about the IOs 5, and the >>> other >>> versions of IOs 5 with out bugs. If I have a IOs 5.2, >>> with out >>> bugs as the first IOs 5.0 had, then the IOs 5.2 es >>> better. Now, >>> if I have a IOs 6, with bugs, why we can't not come back >>> to the >>> IOs 5.2, with less bugs? It is not fair, apple doesn't >>> care what >>> the customers are suffering with their bugs with the new >>> version >>> of IOs 6. Just they are learning about their own >>> product, with >>> the customers. Of course, they don't pay to us anything, >>> but we >>> are reporting all bugs that the new IOs 6 has. It is not >>> fair. If >>> I had a good version of IOs, why I need to be using a >>> new IOs >>> version with bugs? Apple should allow the users select >>> to use a >>> earlyer version of IOs, until the new version of IOs 6.x >>> is done, >>> and tested, I mean, with out bugs. Why they are learning >>> about >>> their own mistakes, they should allow the users to use >>> what ever >>> IOs is better than the new version of IOs 6.0. I had to >>> buy a USB >>> wifi adapter, and I have my thermostate working fine.The >>> problem >>> is that the IOs 6, doesn't allow to use the phone as a >>> bridge >>> between the thermostate and the wifi home network. How >>> ever, I >>> used the wifi adapter, and know is working fine at home. >>> Thanks >>> Pablo >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel" >>> <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: >>> Monday, >>> October 22, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: RE: downgrade >>> >>> >>>> Hi Pablo, >>>> >>>> OK, I was under the impression you bought the Radio >>>> Thermostat. Unfortunately I can't help you with the >>>> Honeywell >>>> and as for iOS 6 I suggest to be patient for just a >>>> little >>>> longer since I am pretty sure Apple will push out the >>>> first >>>> update to iOS 6 fairly soon and many problems will be >>>> fixed. >>>> When iOS 5 came out it also had bugs and issues. I >>>> remember >>>> that for example at one point the playback function >>>> keys on the >>>> Apple Wireless Keyboard also did not work and I am >>>> pretty sure >>>> it was with the first release of iOS 5 and then in a >>>> later >>>> update they fixed this. As for the other issues you >>>> describe, >>>> well, I can't reproduce your problems with the screen >>>> not >>>> locking or the messages app, this all works fine for >>>> me. When >>>> you say you did a restore, did you set up the phone as >>>> a new >>>> device or did you restore from a backup? If you >>>> restored from a >>>> backup this could be the problem as you maybe restoring >>>> whatever problems you have. After I updated to iOS 6 I >>>> had a >>>> few minor problems and decided that in the long run it >>>> would be >>>> just easier to restore and setup as a new device, then >>>> reinstall all my apps from scratch, sync my music again >>>> and all >>>> that. It took me a few hours in total but it was worth >>>> it since >>>> I have not have had any problems other than those few >>>> that are >>>> actual bugs and as I said, I'm sure many of these will >>>> be fixed >>>> in the next few weeks when the first iOS 6 update comes >>>> out. >>>> >>>> As for why Honeywell says you can't setup your >>>> thermostat with >>>> iOS 6 I don't know nor understand and I wonder if it's >>>> not >>>> something Honeywell is not doing/supporting yet and >>>> that maybe >>>> this also will be fixed when they release an app update >>>> with >>>> official iOS 6 support. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, Sieghard >>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed >>>> to the >>>> "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public >>>> archive, >>>> visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>>> To >>>> post to this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. To >>>> unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. 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