They make cases that you can wear that hold the phone so the camera is pointed in front of you, several are like a harness that has the phone clamped in so no one can just grab it. And they are often less than $50 instead of 3000 plus and you then do not have another battery powered device to keep charged.
Richard "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy On Dec 23, 2020, at 6:55 PM, kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net> wrote: Richard, Jose, the person doing the demo said that he prefers the google glass as he does not have to keep waving his phone around running the risk that someone with ill intent will remove it from him. I played around with supersense explorer mode today while sitting in the doctor exam room. I could not get it to find the chair which I knew to be there. It found my dog and, after identifying correctly for several times, it suddenly called her a cat! Not sure why that happened. Do u know if Supersense is supposed to work on the original Iphone se? From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: comparing envision ai ap to seeing ai Well, I do not think any of the systems with glasses are worth that kind of money when you can do all that just with your phone. And, Envision AI still has not impressed me enough to even pay for a subscription. Seeing AI had a very impressive update today. Check it out. Also, Supersense for the explore feature does as good a job as Envision AI. Richard "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy On Dec 22, 2020, at 9:58 PM, kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net<mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote: Richard, glad to share, thanks. When I saw the virtual demo, I was ready to run right out and purchase, assuming I could find the money somewhere smile!! The price is $3,500.00. Company in FL (is US distributor) has a 10% sale that ends tomorrow. With the glass, the person was able to look around the room and objects such as chairs, doorways, tables, books, etc were identified. The person doing the demo showed us a feature that allows you to augment the info you have by connecting to a human who has access to a part of the ap that allows them to see what you are seeing. This feature reminded me of a AIRA contact. Demonstrator had the unit scan and read a recipe. While not demonstrated, was told that the unit can read columnized material such as newspapers. Asked if I would be able to use the glass to identify a vehicle such as paratransit van, uber, lyft, etc while standing inside a building looking out the window. Demonstrator did not know. Can download the ap and try it free for two weeks. So, I did. My excitement and enthusiasm turned in to genuine frustration and disappointment. I tried scanning a single page document that was able to read with voice dream scanner. I never could get the camera to see all four edges of the document regardless of how I moved it. I finally gave up and just had it read whatever it could. The result was nothing recognizable. I got the same results on a couple other documents. So, moved on to the explorer part of the application. With this feature, could take a picture of object and ap would identify it. Scene descriptions were not accurate, but they sure were interesting!! For instance, one time it referred to my guide dog as a possible bear. The second time it called her a possible large cat!!! I will say that I have never been able to get accurate object identification with seeing ai either. Am thinking that accuracy issues could be caused by the fact that I have no clue how to take pictures, and am using the original Iphone se, all be it with the latest software . I wonder whether the glass requires you to take pictures or if it just automatically somehow identifies the object. Even though I understand envision ai and glass can be used with wifi and hotspots, it still seems like you would be using a lot of data and battery power to constantly be exploring environment. So, that’s as far as I have gotten with envision ai. I know there is a help feature that I need to explore. I just downloaded supersense and have started playing with it. Like Richard, I found the fact that it immediately starts scanning without you doing anything, disconcerting.. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 10:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: comparing envision ai ap to seeing ai Kitty, I think I’m not the only one who would like to know what you thought of the demo of the Envision Glasses? Thanks, Richard, in the U.S. "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy * I’m not the card shark * My web site, www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C973cf386f7cd4fff4c3b08d8a7b75c2a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637443753275310118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=puj%2F3PJmka1A0mv2cKbY8LTWTHJlK6Oj0%2FOziU8GU4w%3D&reserved=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kitty hevener Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: comparing envision ai ap to seeing ai Richard, I am amazed at how much stuff I have been able to skim and read with Winston’s scanner program. At a minimum, am able to screen mail to find out what it is and determine if human assistance is needede. Guess the thing that attracted my attention to envision ai is the wearable glasses and all that you can do with them. Goint to be checking out a virtual demo tomorrow. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:45 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: comparing envision ai ap to seeing ai I tried Envision AI, and in my opinion, it is not so much better than Seeing AI. In fact, I'm not convinced it is as good. It is different, and has a different focus I think; but for all my scanning needs, a combination of Voice Dream Scanner, and Seeing AI do what I need. Now, SuperSense is yet another player in this field, and it to me seems better than Envision AI, and is on sale this month for half price for the lifetime subscription, which is essentially $50 instead of $100. Or you can do a monthly or I think yearly subscription. I've not decided to buy it since I'm doing fine with Voice Dream Reader and Seeing AI; but I'm thinking about it. Richard "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young." "Why, what did she tell you?" "I don't know, I didn't listen." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy On Dec 17, 2020, at 5:54 PM, kitty hevener <kheve...@earthlink.net<mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>> wrote: Would like comments from anyone who has tried both aps. 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