I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with other issues.
Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable SIM tray. When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to was far from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go. Malcolm Parfitt > On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the > headphone jack. > > In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, > regardless of from where they were purchased. > > I did not start this thread to engage in a debate. > > Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device. > > In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the greatest > wireless carrier flexibility. > > So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to > purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States. > > Thank you, > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Peter > Logan > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max > with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? > > This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again .. LOL > > Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or at > the time USBC port goes away .. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. > Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max > with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? > > Well said, Julian. > > In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, > then I expect the same feature set. It really is that simple. To me, > selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs > the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting. > > Just my opinion, of course. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Julian > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max > with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? > > For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching > our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. > Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier > and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch > phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of > us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken > away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the > trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not > that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching > this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked > similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer <pickrellrebe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Wondering that too >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> llump...@austin.rr.com >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max >> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >> >> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. >> Taylor >> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with >> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> And so it begins. >> >> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 >> Pro Max. >> >> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray. >> >> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to >> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated by customers who >> only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray. He told me that they >> are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to >> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray. He followed that up >> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from >> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want." (smile) He is a >> very smart man (smile). >> >> So, the search begins. >> >> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM >> tray, from within the United States? >> >> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, >> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model >> with a physical SIM tray. However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this. >> >> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a >> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so. >> >> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, >> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me >> somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why. I think I'd rather go to Canada, >> in person, to grab a model. >> >> All replies greatly appreciated. >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >> mk...@ucla.edu. 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