This is exactly what I was thinking. Although I am a fan of switching sim cards 
to play with other phones, I do imagine that someone will come up with a way of 
easily transferring an ESim from one phone to another. Question is would this 
be a user accessible possibility? I have no idea but I imagine some resourceful 
hacker type person will come up with a way.



-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT&T store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net <dandrews...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>>> Reggie Alvarado
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan <pdlloga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have the same question.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>> 
>>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>>> just fine?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>>> Of M.
>>>> Taylor
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> And so it begins.
>>>> 
>>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>>> iPhone
>>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>> 
>>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>> 
>>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat 
>>>> surprised to learn that, according to him, the store has been 
>>>> inundated  by customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM 
>>>> tray.
>>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response 
>>>> to the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, 
>>>> Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM 
>>>> tray model, if that is what you want."
>>>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>>> 
>>>> So, the search begins.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a 
>>>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>>> 
>>>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple 
>>>> online store, without designating a wireless provider, that Apple 
>>>> will ship you a model with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot 
>>>> locate anyone to confirm this.
>>>> 
>>>> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to 
>>>> pick up a model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, 
>>>> of course, I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but 
>>>> that makes me somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think 
>>>> I'd rather go to Canada, in person, to grab a model.
>>>> 
>>>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
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