Hi Carolyn,

I also have Bluetooth hearing aids, and when I am using them, I am getting the 
sound rather than the haptic feedback when I initiate Siri. Very interesting. I 
imagine that is the way it is supposed to work.
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> On Oct 27, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Carolyn Arnold <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I have Bluetooth in my hearing aids, which is probably the reason why I got 
> a sound for Siri. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 12:25 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 17.1 just made iOS worse
> 
> 
> I just played with this a little and I learned something.
> 
> If I am using the phone speaker, then it does the haptic vibrations instead 
> of the sound when pressing the button for Siri.  But if I am wearing my 
> Airpods, then I do hear the sound.
> 
> So the sound is still there, but it is turned off for some reason when using 
> the phone speaker.
> 
> I do think Siri just has hiccups from time to time.  I experienced this no 
> matter what version of iOS I was running.
> 
> For best results, wait 2 to 3 seconds after pressing the side button before 
> issuing the command.
> 
> I just asked Siri to open 5 or 6 different apps back to back, and she did 
> them all perfectly.  And one of those was mail, of which I opened multiple 
> times.
> 
> One tip:
> You can train Siri to listen and understand you better.
> Go to Settings, Siri and Search.
> Even though I previously had this set to on, when updating to iOS 17.1, it 
> turned off the listen for Siri.
> Just tap on Siri, hey siri, or both siri and hey siri to turn it on and do 
> the practice speaking.
> After hitting the continue button, it will give you 5 short siri commands.  
> It will read the command to you, then you are to repeat them.  Once done, you 
> are all set.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Chris Chaffin
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    On Oct 27, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Richard Turner <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>    
>    
> 
>    
> 
>    I just said “Siri, open mail” and it opened mail, three times in a row 
> successfully.
> 
>     
> 
>    I don’t know why they thought it was a good idea to remove the sound when 
> holding in the side button, but that is one that writing 
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  and providing 
> feedback through www.apple.com/feedback <http://www.apple.com/feedback>  is a 
> good idea.
> 
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>    Richard, USA.
> 
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> 
>    From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
>    Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 7:46 AM
>    To: [email protected]
>    Subject: 17.1 just made iOS worse
> 
>     
> 
>    I've been waiting for 17.1 to come out to hopefully fix bugs I'd heard 
> about and preferred not to experience. So imagine the look on my face when 
> after upgrading from 16.7.2 to 17.1 I said "Siri, open mail," and was 
> answered with "which one, phone or mail?". Rather surprised, I answered 
> "mail," and was immediately told something went wrong, please try again 
> later. Well, later hasn't come yet, because if I tell it to open mail, I get 
> the same thing.
> 
>     
> 
>    Also, I discovered that instead of playing a sound when I press and hold 
> the side button on my 14 Pro Max, I get the double-buzz like you would get if 
> VoiceOver weren't running. Haven't yet found a way to reverse this one.
> 
>     
> 
>    But seriously, opening mail fails? Gimmy back my 16.7.2.
> 
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