I think that is a good idea on your part.  I plan to do the same myself.

Dave


On 5/4/2024 12:41 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to protect your investment if he doesn’t – Mosen At Large

After reading Jonathan’s whole post, this sounds like that is a sighted person saying it is accessible, but to what degree sounds very much in question.  If double tapping on the System button does nothing, then this will be awful.

I do not plan to update immediately, but wait and see what happens.

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That is very concerning. The same question was asked by a blind Sonos user on the Sonos Community forum and a Sonos staff member replied as follows, that was about 2 weeks ago:

Yes, the new Sonos app has been tested with voice-over and will continue to be accessible to voice-over users. We aim to keep improving this experience and our ultimate goal is to have an even better experience for voice-over users with our new app update.

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    https://mosen.org/sonos2024/


      It appears Sonos is about to become less useable by screen
      reader users. The CEO should stop it now, but here’s how to
      protect your investment if he doesn’t

    Jonathan Mosen <https://mosen.org/author/jmosen/>Posted on
    04/05/2024 <https://mosen.org/sonos2024/> Posted in accessibility
    <https://mosen.org/category/accessibility/>, commentary
    <https://mosen.org/category/commentary/>


        What is Sonos?

    Sonos develop a series of high-quality smart speakers. They are
    known for their ability to stay in sync throughout your home when
    the speakers are grouped. Sonos speakers come in a range of form
    factors, from portable devices all the way to soundbars.

    You can send content to all current Sonos speakers via Apple’s
    AirPlay, and some support Bluetooth. But integral to the Sonos
    experience is its dedicated app. It is used to add speakers,
    configure services, set alarms, modify system preferences, search
    across streaming music services, add frequently used radio
    stations and more.

    Because the app is critical to the operation of a Sonos network,
    those of us who are blind and have invested in the ecosystem have
    done so based on trust. We trust that Sonos will act responsibly,
    and not release an update to their app which, at worst, would turn
    the investment blind people have made into unusable paperweights.
    We rely on Sonos to keep their end of the bargain and ensure that
    their updates adhere to good accessibility practices so their apps
    are accessible with screen readers such as VoiceOver on Mac and
    iOS, Talkback on Android, and various third-party screen readers
    for Windows.

    Unfortunately, it appears that Sonos is about to breach that trust
    significantly, with a new app scheduled for release on 7 May.

    This article outlines the problem and why it is such an egregious
    act of bad faith on Sonos’s part. It then discusses how blind
    people can hopefully protect and preserve access to the speakers
    they have paid for, at least in the short term.


        Seeking answers from Sonos

    In late-April, Sonos announced a complete rewrite of their mobile
    apps, due for release on 7 May. The separate tabs at the bottom of
    the app will be gone. Instead, everything will happen on a single
    screen the user can organise to suit their preferences.

    There are certain triggering keywords for those of us who’ve been
    in the accessibility advocacy space. When Sonos talked of the app
    being “rewritten from the ground up” and a “new look and feel”,
    that prompted questions at best, rang alarm bells at worst.

    Immediately, the Living Blindfully <https://LivingBlindfully.com/>
    email box started receiving email from anxious Sonos users,
    wanting to know whether accessibility had been taken into account.

    Some years ago, I wrote a book about Sonos which was responsible
    for some blind people getting into the ecosystem. I have beta
    tested for Sonos on and off. But the public announcement was the
    first time I had heard that work was underway on a new app.

    My hope was that capable blind people had been involved from the
    early design stages of these new apps, because even if you know a
    tiny bit about accessibility, you will know that it’s far easier
    to build it into the foundation of your app rather than try to
    retrofit it later. Plus, the latter approach usually means
    accessibility isn’t done for the initial release. That has the
    effect of turning blind people into second class customers. I was
    cautiously optimistic given Sonos’s consistent commitment to
    accessibility in recent years. It is that commitment which has
    encouraged many blind people to embrace the platform.

    Hoping for the best but fearing the worst, on 25 April I wrote to
    Sonos’s CEO, Patrick Spence, asking if accessibility had been
    taken into account when designing the new app. I explained the
    anxiety that was beginning to emerge in the blind community given
    that no mention had been made by Sonos of accessibility in any
    communication on the new app.

    I also invited him, or a representative of Sonos, onto Living
    Blindfully so we could talk about Sonos’s ongoing commitment to
    accessibility.

    I did not receive a reply to that email, and of course it is
    Patrick’s prerogative not to reply. I wrote to him because he has
    been helpful in the past. I then sought answers on the Sonos
    Subreddit, and was pleased that another blind Sonos user had
    beaten me to it with a question about screen reader accessibility.
    The very helpful Sonos staff member answering questions on the
    Sonos subreddit didn’t have any immediate answers for us on
    accessibility, which gave me yet another sinking feeling, but he
    did undertake to research the matter and get back to the two of us
    who had asked this question.

    The response was as follows.

    “At launch, the new Sonos app will have basic support for screen
    readers. We know we have some work to do in this space, and the
    team wants nothing more than to make sure everyone can enjoy
    Sonos. Put plainly, accessibility is very important to Sonos.”

    Subsequently I have come to understand that this response is the
    standard response being posted on social media to any blind person
    who asks this question.

    The representative then offered to connect me with someone from
    the Research Team.

    Based on the experience of a tester, I believe Sonos has
    overstated the accessibility of the new app, and I will return to
    that later. But let’s separate the platitudes from the actions.

    Sonos claim that accessibility is important to them. Is it really?
    If it is, why are Sonos wanting blind people to talk to their
    research team at a time that is too late to influence the first
    release? User experience research for blind customers ought to
    have been conducted at the same time as it was for everyone else.
    Through their actions, or rather their inactions, Sonos is saying
    that blind people who paid good money for their products must just
    hurry up and wait.

    I know there will be many devoted blind Sonos users who will
    provide quality advice to their research team despite us being an
    afterthought. But right now, blind people have a problem, and
    Sonos has a bigger one. If they go ahead and release this app and
    it substantially impedes our access to what we paid for, Sonos
    could be in breach of consumer law and disability rights law.


        How bad is it?

    Unfortunately, I don’t have the firsthand experience to answer
    that question directly. I have refrained from writing this post
    for as long as I can, since a Sonos representative did indicate
    they’d let me take the app for a spin. That hasn’t happened yet,
    and time is running short.

    I feel therefore that I must raise the alarm based on the user
    experience of someone who has tested the app.

    On Mastodon, I communicated with a blind person who said he is so
    overwhelmed by how suboptimal the new app is on iOS with VoiceOver
    that he doesn’t know where to start in terms of giving feedback to
    Sonos. Does that sound like “basic accessibility” to you?

    I encouraged him to try to tell me what’s wrong, and this is what
    he came back with.

    “For starters, it is really, really clunky and inefficient. The
    area where you can see your system, there are 3 or 4 swipes to get
    between each individual speaker, 5 depending on if it has a
    battery or not. There’s a button in the main nav bar that says
    system, but that button goes nowhere, from what I can determine,
    swiping through lists is basically impossible. They don’t properly
    scroll, and will randomly just jump you to the top of the screen.
    By randomly, I mean quite often. Next… You can’t explore the
    screen by dragging your finger around it. At all. This just simply
    does not work. It acts as if the screen is blank. There’s no way
    to navigate the different subsections of the main screen, because
    of this and just because it’s just all in one huge linear sweep.

    There’s so, so much more, but I guess these would be my worst issues.”

    I have no reason to doubt this tester who is a competent and happy
    user of the present Sonos iOS app.

    I should add that a much-touted new feature is that Sonos is
    releasing a web-based app. This tester says that it is completely
    inaccessible.

    It seems apparent then that Sonos has given scant attention to
    screen reader accessibility throughout this project, and that they
    are about to inflict a materially inferior experience on the blind
    community while they go and do more research.


        A test of ethics

    After learning about how bad things appear to be, I wrote once
    again to Patrick Spence, so far without receiving a reply,
    highlighting the seriousness of this issue. For blind people who
    purchased Sonos in good faith, this situation is nothing short of
    a debacle and a travesty. I am calling on Patrick Spence to do the
    decent thing, protect Sonos’s brand as a company that cares about
    accessibility, and put the new app’s release on hold until it is
    at least no worse than the current app. Treating paying customers
    in this way just because they’re blind is offensive and wrong. It
    is also technically inexcusable. Were I Patrick, I would be
    demanding to know from the person responsible for this project why
    they have placed Sonos in this invidious position. When you have
    people already using your products, you don’t do something that
    makes that product materially worse, and you don’t treat these
    paying customers as so unimportant that you’ll deliberately choose
    to get around to it sometime after the damage has been done.


        Precautions blind people can take

    Sadly at this point, I have lost any confidence that Sonos
    believes blind people have the right to equal treatment, so I
    suspect the release will happen on 7 May. I would love to be
    proven wrong.

    There are some steps you can take to protect your Sonos equipment
    so you can still use it. I am writing these instructions from the
    perspective of an iOS VoiceOver user. If you use Talkback on
    Android, hopefully you can extrapolate the equivalent steps.

    First, you’ll want to disable automatic app updates. Open Settings
    on your iPhone, Navigate to App Store, and double tap. You’ll then
    need to locate the heading that says “Automatic Downloads”. Under
    that Automatic Downloads heading, you’ll find an option called
    “Automatically Install App Updates”. Ensure that is turned off.
    Once you do so, it will be necessary to manually approve every
    update that gets installed on your iPhone. So from then on, you’ll
    need to go into the app store, choose “My Account” at the top of
    the screen, then pull down to refresh by swiping down with three
    fingers until voiceover says “refreshing content”. The moment that
    the Sonos app is there, you won’t be able to double-tap the
    “Update All” button anymore, because that will cause the Sonos app
    to update. So until this issue is behind us, you’re going to have
    to be very careful not to double-tap that button.

    For the moment, there is a second thing that I would suggest
    doing, because it is not clear to me whether once the firmware on
    your Sonos speakers updates, it’s going to require the new app. We
    don’t want a situation where your speakers update themselves
    automatically and you are forced to download the less accessible
    app. To avoid this from happening, open the lovely accessible
    current Sonos app. Double-tap the Settings tab at the bottom of
    the screen, then double-tap System. Locate the “System Updates”
    button towards the bottom of the screen. Double-tap it, then
    you’ll find a toggle switch called “Update Automatically”. For
    now, toggle that to off just in case new firmware for your
    speakers is going to force this app update on you.


        Conclusion

    It is such a shame that disregard for accessibility from a company
    can literally overnight turn equipment you’ve paid for and used
    for years into a nightmare. I have fifteen Sonos devices as part
    of my network at the moment, so it represents a significant
    upheaval. This was absolutely avoidable with good UX design
    practice and proper engagement with the blind community at the
    right time. The right time was at the very beginning of the project.

    Assuming Sonos doesn’t do the right thing and pull this release
    until it is accessible, I will be placing the new app on a test
    device and putting it through its paces. If the tester’s findings
    are confirmed, then I suggest it’s vital that we band together to
    protect our investment and get this wrong righted as quickly as
    possible.

    If you are a tester of the new apps with a screen reader, I would
    love to hear from you. And if Sonos does provide me with access to
    the app, I will update this post.

    Happy listening.

    David Goldfield,

    Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

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