I would doubt very much that Apple has anyone following this list and reporting back. If someone wants to make sure this gets fed back to Apple, I'd suggest using the accessibility email address for Apple.
Note that in my comments below, I never talked about Apple's commitment to accessibility but rather just how committed they are to making one of their products accessible on a competitors platform. I believe Apple is committed to accessibility, but I'm not sure that vision extends to Windows. I also don't think 1300 people, or even everyone those 1300 people might influence, is even a blip on Apple's bottom line. I doubt very much Apple's commitment to accessibility is driven by how much they're going to make by selling Apple products specifically to blind people. Also, how many of those 1300 people on this list are using Windows? It may be a majority, but as we can see from following this list, there are quite a few Mac users, and that number is probably growing. This is all just my opinion. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me. Only time will tell which of us is correct, so I vote for just waiting to find out! On 03/12/12 02:27, M. Emin Demirci wrote: > I hope somebody from Apple is following and reporting the duscussions on > this list. > Emin > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ron Pelletier" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 9:36 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: iTunes 11 is out > >> Hi, >> >> I don't agree that Apple is about to decrease their accessibility in >> ITunes >> for Windows. That would be ridiculous. There may be 1300 of us on this >> list but there are a lot more visually impaired people in the world >> and they >> have just begun to tap into our market. The longer they keep ITunes for >> Windows accessible, the more of us will have a chance to decide to go >> over >> to their side. They have already proven that. They know there is a >> market >> out there and they are going to continue to go after it. >> >> How many non visually impaired people in our families have gone over to >> Apple since we told them what Apple has been doing for us, and that will >> continue. Steve Jobbs had a vision and they know it and, if we are >> smart, we >> will continue to let them smell our money. After all, it's the same >> colour >> as non visually impaired people's money. No matter the colour, money >> smells >> good. >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of Marc Rocheleau >> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:08 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: iTunes 11 is out >> >> While I agree in thinking people will begin to base more and more of >> their >> laptop/desktop purchases to compliment their smart phone needs*, I think >> it's a bit premature to say that apple won't continue to take >> accessibility >> into consideration for iTunes on the PC. >> >> With a few tweaks, the new version of iTunes works just as well, almost >> exactly as well in fact, as the previous versions of the software did on >> Windows. It's easy to bring back the side and menu bars and the only >> thing >> broken is the labelling of the File, View, Control, etc... menu titles -- >> the menus themselves still work. Once you learn the new layout and >> make the >> necessary tweaks, the program is hardly inaccessible -- this small >> thing is >> not a dealbreaker and using it as proof that apple will abandon PC >> accessibility is a bit ridiculous, imo. >> >> Now if you had used the iCloud manager and website as an example when >> they >> were released, that'd be another story. :P >> >> * I am actually switching to a mac mini because I am strongly >> contemplating >> the purchase of an iPad mini and will be upgrading to the next iPhone >> when >> my contract is up in August. >> >> -Marc >> >> >> On 12/1/12, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: >>> This is just my own conjecture, but I'm not surprised Marco is >>> thinking of getting a Mac to enhance his mobile computing experience. >>> I think we'll see more and more of this in the future. For those >>> people who mostly consume content, they'll think of a smart phone or a >>> tablet first and then if they want to add a lapttop or a desktop to >>> the mix, they'll base their decision in part on what will work best >>> with their smart phone / tablet they've chosen to use. >>> >>> I'm also not as convinced Apple will continue to care about iTunes >>> accessibility on the PC. Again, this is just my conjecture, but I don't' >>> think this is a priority for Apple now. I would be surprised if they >>> didn't focus first on iTunes accessibility with VoiceOver on the Mac. >>> As the Mac becomes more and more popular, I think Apple will continue >>> to lower the priority of iTunes on Windows in general and on it's >>> accessibility under Windows in particular. Also, with more and more >>> functionality showing up in the Cloud, there's less and less need to >>> use iTunes under Windows. The lack of iTunes accessibility under >>> Windows won't be a reason for people to not get an iPhone, and Apple's >>> answer to the people who want or need to use iTunes may just be, OK, >>> great, go ahead and get a Mac. >>> >>> I do see companies like GW Micro and Freedom Scientific doing >>> everything they can do to keep iTunes accessible under Windows I don't >>> see MS doing much though since they compete with Apple across the board. >>> >>> On 30/11/12 22:43, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>> Hi Marco, >>>> >>>> I love my iPhone and I am sure there are many happy Mac users out >>>> there, but I think your logic to buy a Mac just because you think you >>>> may have a better iTunes experience to me at least makes no sense at >>>> all. iTunes works just fine with Jaws and while I am only planning to >>>> install iTunes 11 tonight, from the messages I read it sounds as if >>>> things are working well and that using the menu button is an easy >>>> work-around at this point. In any case, the way I use iTunes, I don't >>>> even have to use the menus very often and I wouldn't be surprised if >>>> this issue with the menus not reading properly will be fixed fairly >>>> soon. >>>> >>>> Apart from that I doubt you get a much improved iTunes experience on >>>> a Mac. >>>> Don't forget that there is still a huge majority of iTunes users >>>> world wide who use Windows computers and Apple will not stop >>>> improving iTunes for Windows and I doubt Freedom Scientific will stop >>>> trying to make Jaws work well with iTunes either. >>>> >>>> Of course if you have been looking at getting a Mac anyways just to >>>> learn the OS and Voiceover because you like this type of stuff then >>>> it's perfectly justified to do so. I am personally a huge Windows and >>>> Jaws person, but I am also tempted sometimes to go out and buy a Mac >>>> Mini. Unfortunately I know I wold not be happy with the basic $699 >>>> version or whatever it is and the upgrade to an SSD, a faster CPU and >>>> more RAM would put that Mac Mini around >>>> $1,000 to $1,100 and I could get one heck of a nice Windows desktop >>>> or laptop for that or, for that matter, I could buy myself an >>>> unlocked iPhone >>>> 5 >>>> and an iPod Touch Fifth Generation for it. Why is there always more >>>> stuff I want to buy than what I can afford? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> chaltain at Gmail >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "There is no shame in being who you are. There's only shame in not going >> down swinging to protect it" >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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