It's my understanding they already lost this suit. -- Cheryl
May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Aman Singer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi. > I would be stunned if they had any interest in the blind/visually > impaired market, that market is so close to nonexistence as to make > little difference. Samsung has just been throwing all their patents at > Apple and seeing what sticks. Apple has been doing the same. It's a > shame people can't make new products rather than abusing the patent > system by filing patents which try to swallow the hole world and > forcing the courts to make them throw up. > Aman > > On 2/23/13, Philip S <[email protected]> wrote: >> Just curious, is it possible that Samsung is thinking about capturing >> some of the blind/visually impaired consumer smartphone market from >> Apple, albeit in a very nasty and unwise way? >> Does anyone know if Samsung is working on some major smartphone >> accessibility project? >> >> >> On 2/23/13, Aman Singer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> The patent does not simply apply to the home button, at least as >>> originally submitted. Despite that, I would say that any reaction at >>> the moment is a bit overblown, after all, the court did stay the >>> action on this patent for now with a plain hint that the ruling in the >>> federal court was likely to turn out badly for Samsung. In any case, >>> from reading the patent >>> (the US version of the patent, anyway, I don't read German, the patent >>> seems to have other issues, it is very wide and I know of two products >>> which did this even before the Korean patent which the American and >>> German patents are based on was issued back in 1999. Samsung has >>> already narrowed the patent significantly, but according to the judge, >>> eeven the narrowed patent is unlikely to succeed. I haven't seen the >>> narrowed patent description, and don't know where it can be found >>> online if it can be found at all. The US patent is at >>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6937700.PN.&OS=PN/6937700&RS=PN/6937700 >>> The german patent, for those of us who know that language, is at >>> http://register.dpma.de/DPMAregister/pat/PatSchrifteneinsicht?docId=DE000010040386B4&page=1&dpi=150&lang=de >>> and a blogger's description of the stay and reasons for it is at >>> http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html >>> The blogger, Florian Mueller, has a bunch of interesting links with >>> his own views about the case and seems to link to source documents >>> when he can, which is great. I got the links I pasted in above from >>> his site. Personally, I suspect this is unimportant, I would be >>> surprised if Samsung's patent was upheld, if Apple were found to have >>> infringed it and, even if those two astonishing things come to pass, >>> if Samsung and Apple don't work something out as a licensing >>> arrangement. Remember that this is all part of a much larger situation >>> which is worldwide and which is about many other patents/issues. >>> Aman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/23/13, Robert Fenton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The article that was quoted here was originally published by the BBC. >>>> However, several of the financial and technology publications have also >>>> picked this up. There's no question that the thoughts behind the article >>>> are >>>> legitimate. >>>> >>>> Bob Fenton >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 2013-02-23, at 12:51 PM, David Chittenden <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not know. I received the message from another list. I'm sure if >>>>> you >>>>> do a google search, you will be able to find the publication. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On 24/02/2013, at 2:30, Craig Werner <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> David, what is the source of this article? For whom does Leo Kelion >>>>>> write? >>>>>> >>>>>> Craig >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/23/13, David Chittenden <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: VoiceOver threatened by Samsung >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Blind Democracy Discussion List >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even if Samsung does not succeed in their action, the very fact >>>>>>>> they've >>>>>>>> even tried it guarantees I will never buy a Samsung product. >>>>>>>> And to think Samsung was instrumental in establishing the guide dog >>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>> in Korea. >>>>>>>> Unconscionable. >>>>>>>> Alice >>>>>>>> Samsun g struggles to block iPhone function for the blindBy Leo >>>>>>>> Kelion >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Technology reporter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The VoiceOver function is designed to help >>>>>>>> blind and partially sighted consumers use the >>>>>>>> iPhone Samsung has suffered a setback in its >>>>>>>> effort to win an iPhone ban based on a function >>>>>>>> making its software accessible to blind people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The South Korean firm had sought an injunction in >>>>>>>> a German court arguing Apple's VoiceOver >>>>>>>> screen-access facility infringed one of its patents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, the judge has ordered the case to be >>>>>>>> suspended pending another ruling that could invalidate Samsung's >>>>>>>> claim. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Disability campaigners had expressed concern about the case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple's VoiceOver function is used by blind and >>>>>>>> partially-sighted people to hear a description of >>>>>>>> what the iPhone is showing by touching its screen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The software covers text and icons including >>>>>>>> audio descriptions of the battery level and >>>>>>>> network signal. It also allows the phones to be >>>>>>>> operated via Braille-based add-ons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Samsung had argued that Apple had failed to >>>>>>>> licence a patent it owned which describes >>>>>>>> pressing a button to make a handset describe its >>>>>>>> display. The basis for this was that VoiceOver >>>>>>>> could be switched on by triple-clicking the iPhone's home button. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple declined to comment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A statement from Samsung said: "For decades, we >>>>>>>> have heavily invested in pioneering the >>>>>>>> development of technological innovations in the >>>>>>>> mobile industry, which have been constantly reflected in our >>>>>>>> products. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "We continue to believe that Apple has infringed >>>>>>>> our patented mobile technologies, and we will >>>>>>>> continue to take the measures necessary to >>>>>>>> protect our intellectual property rights." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'Regrettable in the extreme' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Patent consultant Florian Muller, who was first >>>>>>>> to report the Mannheim Court's decision, questioned Samsung's >>>>>>>> tactics. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "If Samsung had only requested monetary >>>>>>>> compensation in this action, it would have made a >>>>>>>> much better choice than by trying to achieve, >>>>>>>> through the pursuit of an injunction, the >>>>>>>> deactivation or (more realistically) degradation >>>>>>>> of the voiceover functionality Apple provides to >>>>>>>> its German customers," he wrote on his blog. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The British Computer Association of the Blind >>>>>>>> said it was worried such an important feature might be threatened. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "A lack of access to information is arguably the >>>>>>>> biggest potential barrier to inclusion in society >>>>>>>> for blind and partially-sighted people," a spokesman told the BBC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "If something as important as access to telephone >>>>>>>> technology had been blocked by the actions of one >>>>>>>> company over another the consequences for blind >>>>>>>> people everywhere would be regrettable in the extreme." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Wall Street Journal's AllThingsD tech site was more damning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Leaving aside the ethics of asserting a patent >>>>>>>> against a feature designed to help the blind, >>>>>>>> this is unwise," wrote John Paczkowski. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "It's the PR equivalent of punching yourself in >>>>>>>> the face. Samsung has now identified itself as a >>>>>>>> company willing to accept the loss of >>>>>>>> accessibility for the vision-impaired as >>>>>>>> collateral damage in its battle with Apple." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple and Samsung have fought a number of patent >>>>>>>> cases against each other in courts across the world. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The biggest award involved a US jury ordering >>>>>>>> Samsung to pay Apple $1.05bn (£688m) in damages. >>>>>>>> The judge in the case later rejected Apple's call >>>>>>>> for the sum to be increased and a sales ban on some Samsung >>>>>>>> handsets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Blind-Democracy mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://www.octothorp.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-democracy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> Group. >>>>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>>>> 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