Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN

Sun, 07 Apr 2013 11:35:32 -0700

I'm curious, when you say your friend knows that Apple knows what it's doing when it doesn't allow widgets on an unbroken iPhone, is that because there are some technical reasons why widgets are evil or is it Apple just protecting users from themselves or some other reason I haven't thought about? I'm also wondering why you included that little tidbit in your message, since it seems tangent at best to the rest of the thread. 

On 04/07/2013 03:27 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

Hello,

There is only one GPS antenna in the iPhone. It is either active and draining 
the battery, or it is not active, and therefore not drawing power. No matter 
how many GPS apps are running, the GPS antenna will draw the same amount of 
power. That said, more GPS (or other apps for that matter) running means more 
cycles of the processor and more power drain above that of the GPS antenna. 
Furthermore, GPS apps running guided GPS navigation (turn-by-turn) in the 
background drain more power than when they are the primary open app.

A friend set up widgets on his Android phone and found that the widgets drained 
the phone's battery quite rapidly, and caused major slowdown/lag on his android 
phone.

He acquired an iPhone 5 a few weeks ago and jailbroke the iPhone. He then 
installed the same widgets he was running on his Android phone. Today, he told 
me the results. He experienced the same extreme battery drain and lag/slowdown 
on the iPhone 5 that he experienced on the Android phone. It should be noted 
that this friend is sighted. He considers himself to be a power-user of mobile 
technology. He also told me that Apple apparently knows what it is doing in not 
allowing widgets on standard iPhones.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/03/2013, at 15:22, "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." 
<kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu> wrote:


David,

This sounds cool.

Can you give us a primer on how you use all these apps in an integrated way? Is 
it as simple as just opening them all and it somehow magically happens?

Does all these apps working simultaneously, and presumably needing their own 
gps data, pose a significant battery drain that perhaps one integrated app 
would diminish?

Thanks. Keith

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Subject: Re: Summary of Seeing Eye app presentation at CSUN

Which is why I have everything covered that the Seeing Eye app will be 
providing in a few apps. TomTom and Apple Maps gives me just about everything I 
need including names of streets I am passing, turn by turn directions, 
automatic routing and rerouting, with onboard maps (TomTom) or online maps 
(Apple Maps). Both apps even can give my current address (which is now 
automatically announced in Apple Maps (when set to Tracking On with Headings). 
I have stopped using Ariadne, for the most part, because Apple Maps finally 
does it all, including giving me an accessible onscreen map (Tracking On 
(without headings).

And, even better, Local Scope accesses automatically several internet POI 
listings and consolidates them for me. It is the only POI system that accesses 
all my local bus stop locations. Even better, VO accesses Local Scopes map 
view, if turned on, the same way and to the same degree, that it accesses Apple 
Maps graphical maps.

The best thing, my total, one-time charge   (given that TomTom and Navigon are 
both more expensive here in NZ) is $70 to $80. I do not remember what, if 
anything, I paid for Local Scope. Where To, the other POI app I like cost me 
$1.99, and provides many more POIs than I got from Look Around when I was 
visiting the US. Finally, all the apps I use work perfectly well in NZ.

It must be noted that Navigon and TomTom must be purchased separately for each 
country or region.

My point here is I am paying significantly less for equivalent service. I am 
not getting clock-face directions, but with practice, I have something better, 
an audio graphical map view interface which shows me the information via 
haptics (touch) and audio.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 03/03/2013, at 11:47, Keith Watson <lnx...@gmail.com> wrote:


John,

Exactly. You bought a device, it had maps on it. You can now choose to upgrade 
or not to upgrade those maps on the device when they become available. If you 
do not choose to upgrade the device will continue to work the way it was sold 
to you.

Now I buy a device, lets call it an iPhone. I then purchase an app called 
Seeing Eye from a company called Sendero. I pay $100 for the app. time goes by. 
Lets say for the sake of argument that its 3 years later. In the interim I have 
lost my job, the stock market has crashed and the bank has taken my house back. 
I have a job interview and want to use this app to find my way to it. I turn it 
on and low and behold they want another $100 in order for me to use it. In 
other words I have rented the app for 3 years and now its useless to me. To my 
small mind this is not good business. I would go so far as to call it 
extortion. If I am going to pay that high a price for something I damned well 
want to own it.

I do not know what Garmon is going to do with map updates. Whether they are 
going to be free or not is besides the point. I bought Navigon. It will work 
the way it is until I get rid of the device, IOS changes so drasticallyy that 
it no longer is supported or something else better comes along to replace it. 
The choice is mine, not theirs.

Again, these are my opinions and my thoughts. I by no means condemn those of 
you who have the money to waste on this type of business plan. I guess I am 
just a bit more frugal than most.

Keith

On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:21 PM, john gallagher <j...@pianotuner.plus.com> wrote:


hi there keith interesting but say on my sendero on the apex because the maps 
are actually on the machine even though they will not get updated they will 
still work and yes cost is important for blind people as we have to pay much 
more for our devices and of course the software.  am i correct in saying that 
with navigon there updates are free.

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