Hi Ron thanks for the suggestion I allso want to get a case for the phone since the 1 from the previous phone does not protect it much.
Sent from my iPhone On 2013-04-13, at 11:16 AM, Ron Pelletier <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Simon, > > When you are in an edit box, try to leave your rotor on character or word or > something like that. Don't leave your rotor on the typing mode because, I > suspect you accidentally flick up or down and that is what changes it. > Don't leave your rotor in that position and you shouldn't have a problem. > > Notice I changed the subject line. Please try to remember not to reply to > just any post with another question. What happens then is that the subject > line doesn't match the contents and members may delete your post rather than > reading it and giving you an answer > > I'm glad you seem to really be enjoying your IPhone. Keep the questions > coming > > Ron & Danvers > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Simon Wong > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: What do they do??? > > Hi there the only thing I find I am accidentally keep doing since I got this > phone is getting away from the touch typing mode when I want to leave it > there but I can't seem to figure out how to keep that setting luck there so > I don't accidentally move away from it because when I'm trying to type a > message and I keep having to double tap the letter it takes a long time to > write the message that way and > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-04-12, at 5:57 PM, "Kellie and my lab pack" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I have been debating whether I want to jump in this topic. Personally, I > feel that this is off topic but since the mods have Ok'd it I guess I can > give an opinion. >> >> Having taught technology to people who are blind or visually impaired in > the past, I know that you cannot assume that everyone has the same > capabilities and skills as you. I have taught things to individuals, have > them come in the next day and we were right back where we started. It is at > that point that you have to step back and think outside the box and change > the approach. Does it mean that the individual I was working with was lazy? > I don't think so. They were trying their hardest to understand. >> >> I think it is presumptuous to deem a person lazy because they ask a > question that you feel is stupid or can be obtained on their own. Who > determines what information can be researched on their own verses what > should be asked on a list. On a technicality, probably every single question > that is asked here can be found on a web site somewhere and if that's the > case why does this list exist at all? >> >> I have done my share of research, and yet I still will ask questions on a > list. For instance, I am in the market for a new laptop and considering a > Mac. I have read articles, looked on both applevis and maccessibility and > yet I still joined the list to ask questions. Because sometimes it is nice > to have an actual human respond. >> >> Another thing to consider is that you don't know the person or where they > are coming from. We all have areas where we excel and areas where we are > weak. Additionally, you have no idea if there are any cognitive challenges > that an individual has which makes processing certain tasks very difficult. >> >> I have a friend who uses the computer and has even taken classes; however, > he is really incapable doing much beyond email. The internet is beyond him. > It isn't for lack of trying though. He just doesn't get it. The fact that he > can email was an accomplishment. He is not a stupid man either. It is just > that technology is not his strength. >> >> My father used a computer but really didn't know what he was doing. He was > forever calling me for help. I would explain how he could do it but the next > time it happened I would get a call again. He just couldn't retain the > information. >> >> I am not saying that you can't assist and offer guidance as well as > explain how a person can do things for themselves or research. Helping a > person be self sufficient is great. However, I believe that this can be and > should be done respectfully without being condescending and without sarcasm. >> >> I have written an iPhone basics tutorial that I have shared with friends > to help them when they first get an iPhone. I have been told that it has > been very beneficial and allowing them to be successful at using their > iPhones and cut down on frustration. I am glad that I could assist them in > that way. >> >> There are many things discussed on list which I find very easy to do but > that doesn't mean because I find it simple that everyone else should as > well. If I don't like a message I delete it and the thread and move on. >> >> As for those questions generating needless traffic on list. I must say > that this thread has garnered its share. It is the reason why I hesitated to > post on this at all. >> >> In short treat others how you would like to be treated if you asked a > question. Everyone should feel that this is a comfortable place that they > can come to when they are having a problem. They should not worry that they > are going to get told that their question is stupid and that they shouldn't > ask it. >> >> I hope that I did not offend anyone in my post. If I did that was not my > intent. >> >> Respectfully, >> Kellie, Loki and retired July >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ron Pelletier >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:30 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> Hi Ricardo, >> >> You fail to realize that not everyone is able to function at your >> level. If someone has recently been equipped with a device and wants >> to know the price of another device that could be better for them or >> to figure if they can afford both and don't know yet how to get that >> information, that's a legitimate question. If someone is not >> comfortable activating a button without knowing what will happen, >> that's a legitimate question also. If someone even needs someone else >> to install apps for them to use because they can't do it themselves >> and they want to know how much it costs, that's legitimate also >> >> So, you see, every question is a legitimate question if you don't know >> the answer or can't find the answer on your own. I never saw this >> list as a place where we only should work with people who have a >> certain level of abilities. I am just having a lot of trouble getting >> some people to understand that there is no such thing as a common >> denominator in people's ability to function. >> >> I am not ignoring the validity of the original post, I am just saying >> as part of my opinion that the original post had no validity to it at all. >> >> Respectfully >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:54 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >> >> Hello, >> >> I agree with everything you said but, I think you are ignoring the >> validity of the original posters statement. For example. I've seen >> people ask the "how much is an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, etc, dozens >> of times on this list in the last 3 years. Now, to me, I think this >> is a silly question to ask on a list as big as this. By the time you >> get a reply, and find the reply to that question, the person could >> have gone to the Apple site and just looked for themselves. Or, when >> a person talks about a new app they have come across, and people ask, >> "how much is it? I'm like, well, why not check for your self? I mean, >> if your going to buy it, you would actually need to click on the >> button that displays the price, no? I've even seen people post >> something like, "Hi list, I've downloaded this app, and there are 2 >> unlabeled buttons. What do they do? Now, I'm far from the most >> adventuress person in the world but, wouldn't it be much easier to >> double tap on the buttons yourself? Lets think about it. Some people >> would wait hours, if not days, for someone to report back on what >> those 2 buttons do before venturing to press them. I could totally >> understand why a person might be annoyed by such a post. I tend to >> just delete these myself. I have a feeling Fred might have been >> talking about questions more like this than, questions that deal with the > general operation of an IOS device or, the use of an application. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> [email protected] >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Ron Pelletier >> <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Eddie, >>> >>> Having taught accessible technology for 21 years to people of all >>> degrees of vision and many combinations of disabilities, I totally >>> agree with your technique. When a client doesn't understand the >>> first or second time, there is no point repeating the same thing over >>> and over. Its up to us to change our approach to the problem. It is >>> up to us to find a different way of working with each individual >>> person and each individual problem. So, thinking in any way that >>> asking questions is, laziness or lack of interest is totally wrong. >>> >>> As for the person who originated this topic claiming that asking >>> questions creates too much traffic, well, I wish I had counted how >>> much traffic this topic created on the list. >>> >>> So, let's deal with the questions which are the purpose of this list >>> and get on with it. >>> >>> Ron & Danvers >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Eddie Salcido >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:11 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> Hi Carrie and list. >>> My girlfriend is someone who definitely doesn't feel confident with I >>> things and would be asking what to do on a consistent basis, so >>> here's my >> thought. >>> In a real life teaching situation, I would explain a procedure once >>> or twice, then if asked a third time, I would make the person >>> critically think by asking a question of my own such as, "What do you >>> think the next step might be?" I do this type of question teaching >>> regularly with blind kids who I teach music to. >>> Eddie >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Carrie Snodgrass >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:53 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> Patti, you're a kind soul. I feel like I have some of that patience >>> with others, but not to the extent that you do. I'm all for helping >>> others, as long as they try to learn as we go. However, there is a >>> point when one has to do for themselves. I live a very full life, >>> surrounded by sighted people, and there's been more than one occasion >>> in which I'm complaining about all the "blind bums," and my friends >>> and family have had to gently explained to me that just because I >>> have a lot of self-confidence doesn't mean that everyone else does >>> and just because blind people don't/can't always learn/do for >>> themselves doesn't make them lazy. So, long story short, I respect >>> Patti's view, but >> probably feel more as Fred does. >>> Having said that though, there will be A LOT less traffic and >>> confusion if everyone would just get along. Everyone's free to ask >>> questions, just as everyone is free to answer them or not. We're all >>> on this list to gain support and knowledge from other IOS users. If >>> a particular topic doesn't interest you, DELETE is the "key." It >>> takes way less time to hit Delete a few times than to draft a >>> complaint about a topic for which you have no concern in the first place. >>> Carrie >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Patti Johnson >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:05 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on >>> their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they >>> are afraid of doing something wrong. >>> I am not saying there is right or wrong in any of this; I just think >>> those that ask should be respected and answered even if we ourselves >>> wish they would do their own work. >>> I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be >>> able to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need >>> help they come to me for it and I think to myself, they need to learn >>> this on their own but if they won't because they are fearful of >>> making a mistake, then I have to help them. >>> Patti >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list? >>> Aren't we supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have we >>> all become so lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we must >>> bring it to the list because we can't take the time to find out for >> ourselves? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Patti Johnson" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> >>>> I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing to >>>> this list; and she said if you're told to do your research all the >>>> time then what's the point of the list? >>>> I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many >>>> times the question is asked. >>>> Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't. >>>> Or their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on any >>>> email list, because we don't know where the person writing in is >>>> coming from. Just my humble opinion. And actually if you don't >>>> want to answer that person on list write to them privately, which >>>> would take away from the high traffic. >>>> Patti >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating >>>> that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have the >>>> information at their fingertips to find the information themselves >>>> rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as a result of >>>> two messages in a row which asked the question of two different >>>> app's, what does it do. >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> ----- Original Message. In this case, there were two messages in a >>>> row that asked the same question, "What does it do ----- >>>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM >>>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and >>>>> condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I >>>>> doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience >>>>> to read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I >>>>> also wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a >>>>> message as opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone asks >>>>> a question you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one liners >>>>> like "What does >>>> this app do?" or "How much does it cost?" >>>>> to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as the >>>>> moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such >>>>> behavior, I don't think it's going to change human behavior much, >>>>> and I think it's best left to Raul and the moderators. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, Will for bringing me a -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. 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