Hi Simon, You can't believe how many cases there are out there. If you go to Google and search for "cases for IPhone 4S" you will probably be reading the results all day. If you want to actually feel what you are going to get, then you can go to the Apple store or your telephone provider who usually carry a variety. Some cases give you a lot of protection but make your phone very bulky. Some cases are very slim and give very little protection so, you need to decide the right combination for you depending on your lifestyle. Someone who works on a construction site will need a case that offers more protection than a person who works in an office with a carpeted floor so you need to do some research as to what is best for you.
HTH Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Wong Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Better case Hi Ron thanks for the suggestion I allso want to get a case for the phone since the 1 from the previous phone does not protect it much. Sent from my iPhone On 2013-04-13, at 11:16 AM, Ron Pelletier <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi Simon, > > When you are in an edit box, try to leave your rotor on character or > word or something like that. Don't leave your rotor on the typing > mode because, I suspect you accidentally flick up or down and that is what changes it. > Don't leave your rotor in that position and you shouldn't have a problem. > > Notice I changed the subject line. Please try to remember not to > reply to just any post with another question. What happens then is > that the subject line doesn't match the contents and members may > delete your post rather than reading it and giving you an answer > > I'm glad you seem to really be enjoying your IPhone. Keep the > questions coming > > Ron & Danvers > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Simon Wong > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 6:59 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: What do they do??? > > Hi there the only thing I find I am accidentally keep doing since I > got this phone is getting away from the touch typing mode when I want > to leave it there but I can't seem to figure out how to keep that > setting luck there so I don't accidentally move away from it because > when I'm trying to type a message and I keep having to double tap the > letter it takes a long time to write the message that way and > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2013-04-12, at 5:57 PM, "Kellie and my lab pack" > <pebbles...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I have been debating whether I want to jump in this topic. >> Personally, I > feel that this is off topic but since the mods have Ok'd it I guess I > can give an opinion. >> >> Having taught technology to people who are blind or visually impaired >> in > the past, I know that you cannot assume that everyone has the same > capabilities and skills as you. I have taught things to individuals, > have them come in the next day and we were right back where we > started. It is at that point that you have to step back and think > outside the box and change the approach. Does it mean that the individual I was working with was lazy? > I don't think so. They were trying their hardest to understand. >> >> I think it is presumptuous to deem a person lazy because they ask a > question that you feel is stupid or can be obtained on their own. Who > determines what information can be researched on their own verses what > should be asked on a list. On a technicality, probably every single > question that is asked here can be found on a web site somewhere and > if that's the case why does this list exist at all? >> >> I have done my share of research, and yet I still will ask questions >> on a > list. For instance, I am in the market for a new laptop and > considering a Mac. I have read articles, looked on both applevis and > maccessibility and yet I still joined the list to ask questions. > Because sometimes it is nice to have an actual human respond. >> >> Another thing to consider is that you don't know the person or where >> they > are coming from. We all have areas where we excel and areas where we > are weak. Additionally, you have no idea if there are any cognitive > challenges that an individual has which makes processing certain tasks very difficult. >> >> I have a friend who uses the computer and has even taken classes; >> however, > he is really incapable doing much beyond email. The internet is beyond him. > It isn't for lack of trying though. He just doesn't get it. The fact > that he can email was an accomplishment. He is not a stupid man > either. It is just that technology is not his strength. >> >> My father used a computer but really didn't know what he was doing. >> He was > forever calling me for help. I would explain how he could do it but > the next time it happened I would get a call again. He just couldn't > retain the information. >> >> I am not saying that you can't assist and offer guidance as well as > explain how a person can do things for themselves or research. Helping > a person be self sufficient is great. However, I believe that this can > be and should be done respectfully without being condescending and without sarcasm. >> >> I have written an iPhone basics tutorial that I have shared with >> friends > to help them when they first get an iPhone. I have been told that it > has been very beneficial and allowing them to be successful at using > their iPhones and cut down on frustration. I am glad that I could > assist them in that way. >> >> There are many things discussed on list which I find very easy to do >> but > that doesn't mean because I find it simple that everyone else should > as well. If I don't like a message I delete it and the thread and move on. >> >> As for those questions generating needless traffic on list. I must >> say > that this thread has garnered its share. It is the reason why I > hesitated to post on this at all. >> >> In short treat others how you would like to be treated if you asked a > question. Everyone should feel that this is a comfortable place that > they can come to when they are having a problem. They should not worry > that they are going to get told that their question is stupid and that > they shouldn't ask it. >> >> I hope that I did not offend anyone in my post. If I did that was not >> my > intent. >> >> Respectfully, >> Kellie, Loki and retired July >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ron Pelletier >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 2:30 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >> >> Hi Ricardo, >> >> You fail to realize that not everyone is able to function at your >> level. If someone has recently been equipped with a device and wants >> to know the price of another device that could be better for them or >> to figure if they can afford both and don't know yet how to get that >> information, that's a legitimate question. If someone is not >> comfortable activating a button without knowing what will happen, >> that's a legitimate question also. If someone even needs someone >> else to install apps for them to use because they can't do it >> themselves and they want to know how much it costs, that's legitimate >> also >> >> So, you see, every question is a legitimate question if you don't >> know the answer or can't find the answer on your own. I never saw >> this list as a place where we only should work with people who have a >> certain level of abilities. I am just having a lot of trouble >> getting some people to understand that there is no such thing as a >> common denominator in people's ability to function. >> >> I am not ignoring the validity of the original post, I am just saying >> as part of my opinion that the original post had no validity to it at all. >> >> Respectfully >> >> Ron & Danvers >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:54 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >> >> Hello, >> >> I agree with everything you said but, I think you are ignoring the >> validity of the original posters statement. For example. I've seen >> people ask the "how much is an iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, etc, dozens >> of times on this list in the last 3 years. Now, to me, I think this >> is a silly question to ask on a list as big as this. By the time you >> get a reply, and find the reply to that question, the person could >> have gone to the Apple site and just looked for themselves. Or, when >> a person talks about a new app they have come across, and people ask, >> "how much is it? I'm like, well, why not check for your self? I >> mean, if your going to buy it, you would actually need to click on >> the button that displays the price, no? I've even seen people post >> something like, "Hi list, I've downloaded this app, and there are 2 >> unlabeled buttons. What do they do? Now, I'm far from the most >> adventuress person in the world but, wouldn't it be much easier to >> double tap on the buttons yourself? Lets think about it. Some >> people would wait hours, if not days, for someone to report back on >> what those 2 buttons do before venturing to press them. I could >> totally understand why a person might be annoyed by such a post. I >> tend to just delete these myself. I have a feeling Fred might have >> been talking about questions more like this than, questions that deal >> with the > general operation of an IOS device or, the use of an application. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rica...@appletothecore.info >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Ron Pelletier >> <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Eddie, >>> >>> Having taught accessible technology for 21 years to people of all >>> degrees of vision and many combinations of disabilities, I totally >>> agree with your technique. When a client doesn't understand the >>> first or second time, there is no point repeating the same thing >>> over and over. Its up to us to change our approach to the problem. >>> It is up to us to find a different way of working with each >>> individual person and each individual problem. So, thinking in any >>> way that asking questions is, laziness or lack of interest is totally wrong. >>> >>> As for the person who originated this topic claiming that asking >>> questions creates too much traffic, well, I wish I had counted how >>> much traffic this topic created on the list. >>> >>> So, let's deal with the questions which are the purpose of this list >>> and get on with it. >>> >>> Ron & Danvers >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Eddie Salcido >>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:11 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> Hi Carrie and list. >>> My girlfriend is someone who definitely doesn't feel confident with >>> I things and would be asking what to do on a consistent basis, so >>> here's my >> thought. >>> In a real life teaching situation, I would explain a procedure once >>> or twice, then if asked a third time, I would make the person >>> critically think by asking a question of my own such as, "What do >>> you think the next step might be?" I do this type of question >>> teaching regularly with blind kids who I teach music to. >>> Eddie >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Carrie Snodgrass >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:53 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> Patti, you're a kind soul. I feel like I have some of that patience >>> with others, but not to the extent that you do. I'm all for helping >>> others, as long as they try to learn as we go. However, there is a >>> point when one has to do for themselves. I live a very full life, >>> surrounded by sighted people, and there's been more than one >>> occasion in which I'm complaining about all the "blind bums," and my >>> friends and family have had to gently explained to me that just >>> because I have a lot of self-confidence doesn't mean that everyone >>> else does and just because blind people don't/can't always learn/do >>> for themselves doesn't make them lazy. So, long story short, I >>> respect Patti's view, but >> probably feel more as Fred does. >>> Having said that though, there will be A LOT less traffic and >>> confusion if everyone would just get along. Everyone's free to ask >>> questions, just as everyone is free to answer them or not. We're >>> all on this list to gain support and knowledge from other IOS users. >>> If a particular topic doesn't interest you, DELETE is the "key." It >>> takes way less time to hit Delete a few times than to draft a >>> complaint about a topic for which you have no concern in the first place. >>> Carrie >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Patti Johnson >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:05 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on >>> their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they >>> are afraid of doing something wrong. >>> I am not saying there is right or wrong in any of this; I just >>> think those that ask should be respected and answered even if we >>> ourselves wish they would do their own work. >>> I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be >>> able to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need >>> help they come to me for it and I think to myself, they need to >>> learn this on their own but if they won't because they are fearful >>> of making a mistake, then I have to help them. >>> Patti >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>> >>> Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list? >>> Aren't we supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have >>> we all become so lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we >>> must bring it to the list because we can't take the time to find out >>> for >> ourselves? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Patti Johnson" <pat1...@insightbb.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM >>> Subject: RE: What do they do??? >>> >>> >>>> I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing >>>> to this list; and she said if you're told to do your research all >>>> the time then what's the point of the list? >>>> I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many >>>> times the question is asked. >>>> Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't. >>>> Or their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on >>>> any email list, because we don't know where the person writing in >>>> is coming from. Just my humble opinion. And actually if you don't >>>> want to answer that person on list write to them privately, which >>>> would take away from the high traffic. >>>> Patti >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Fred Olver >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating >>>> that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have >>>> the information at their fingertips to find the information >>>> themselves rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as >>>> a result of two messages in a row which asked the question of two >>>> different app's, what does it do. >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> ----- Original Message. In this case, there were two messages in a >>>> row that asked the same question, "What does it do ----- >>>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com> >>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM >>>> Subject: Re: What do they do??? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and >>>>> condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I >>>>> doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience >>>>> to read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I >>>>> also wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a >>>>> message as opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone >>>>> asks a question you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one >>>>> liners like "What does >>>> this app do?" or "How much does it cost?" >>>>> to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as >>>>> the moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such >>>>> behavior, I don't think it's going to change human behavior much, >>>>> and I think it's best left to Raul and the moderators. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, Will for bringing me a -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. 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