I was actually thinking of these products, as well as the self voicing
applications put out by Caryn Navy and David Holladay from Raised Dot
computing, but I thought you were talking about Apple being the first
computer company to care about accessibility and not accessibility
focused companies putting out accessible applications for the Apple
platform as a 3rd party. If so, then you have tons of companies working
on accessibility for DOS and then Windows, as well as stand alone
applications and devices.
I agree though, there's no reason for pessimism, and I don't think
anyone, and Shane in particular, was being pessimistic.
On 06/11/2013 05:17 PM, Fred Olver wrote:
However, sir, you are forgetting about the textalker software which
became available in 1982-83 and the products offered by G W Micro in
it's previous carnation, Computer Aids and Braille-Edit which preceeded
Outspoken, I believe.
Nun the less, I still stand by my claim that we have no reason to be
pesimistic, Apple has shown us, over and over that it is commited to
providing access via voice-over, no need to get paranoid at this point
in time.
Fred Olver
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Keynote
I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's
message or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC
keynote should be able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this
list. My only frustration with Shane's message, which I solved with the
delete key, is that this has already been discussed on this list.
There's going to be a lot of discussion on this list about IOS 7 and the
WWDC, so if people are interested, I'd suggest they pay attention to
these discussions on this list and maybe even look through the archives
before asking a question that they think might have already come up.
Note I wouldn't have said anything about this at all, if I wasn't
already responding to Fred's message.
Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care
about accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on
accessibility back when Outspoken was the only screen access option for
Apple products and in those intervening years between Outspoken and
VoiceOver where Apple had no accessibility for their products. I agree
Apple has a better accessibility story right now than any other computer
company, but this hasn't always been the case.
On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Wow!
a bit sensitive no? I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post.
Note: he said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not
aware that Apple seldom speaks about accessibility during their
keynotes. And he asked for others thoughts. He offered no opinion of
his own except, he thought IOS 7 sounded interesting. I wouldn't
really put that down in the negative category. lol. I don't see how
having no opinion, and asking for that of others is negative? Or, did
I miss something in his post?
Just saying.
Ricardo Walker
[email protected]
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver <[email protected]> wrote:
Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have
any control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with
regard to accessibility.
Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall
worrying about this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the
future? Apple was the first, or nearly the first computer-based
company to care about those of us with disabilities, is there some
reason you think they might change their mind about this.
Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward
optimistically rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less
energy and it is truly alot more fun.
Fred Olver
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane clark" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Apple Keynote
Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one
live, but I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it
sounds like iOS 7 will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear
anything mentioned about accessibility... Your thoughts?
Shane.
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