haha,

I can't disagree with the greed point.  But, from what I've read, their all 
blood suckers no matter where you live.  From Canada's carriers an their crazy 
3 year contracts, the United states locked down phones, and Europe's crazy data 
charges for 3G and 4G data.  The big phone carriers make my skin crawl. 
*shutter*

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:33 AM, RobH! <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have to agree, that for an advanced nation, the uS is being so seriously 
> hampered by carriers greed.  I wanted to send someone a cell phone over 
> there, then heard some of the payment details and soon gave up the idea.
> 
> I know england is easy, I got 3 old phones at least with  an off'the'shelf 
> simm in each and all pay'as'u'go, and just put the odd £5 on them 
> occasionally to keep them alive. Even my iPhone has a PAYG, though have got 
> a repeating purchase of a flat amount and it lasts as long as it lasts. 
> watching the pennys go down might seem irritating, but you know exactly 
> where you are with it.   Put £10,   then when it's down to £1, put some more 
> on.  Some of us like life that simple. even the stores do them now,  I bet 
> walmart and Target do themo ver there surely?  I know Asda, tesco and a few 
> others do over here. They ride piggyBack on existing carriers of course, but 
> it all works.
> 
> RobH.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:23 AM
> Subject: RE: Mobile Phone Service and International Travel
> 
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> 
> 
> First of all, in order to use another provider's SIM in your phone, your
> phone has to be unlocked. Any phone you buy on contract is not unlocked, but
> I know for sure in Canada and I think also in the States, carriers now have
> to unlock your phone if your account is in good standing after a certain
> time period. Here in Canada that time period was just reduced to 90 days.
> That means that if you buy a subsidized phone on contract, after 3 months
> you can call the carrier and ask them to provide unlock instructions and
> once you have followed them you can put in somebody elses SIM.
> 
> 
> 
> I bought my iPhone 4S directly from Apple at full price and factory unlocked
> so when I went to Thailand back in April it was super easy to get a SIM from
> a provider in Thailand and use it there.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, you will get a different phone number and it will be a phone number
> local to whatever country you are in, in my case it was a Thai phone number
> and in your case it will be a French phone number.
> 
> 
> 
> Getting a local SIM is always preferable because roaming fees can totally
> kill. You often hear stories when somebody went to Europe and they were
> happily streaming music and videos and then they came home to a $5,000 bill
> from AT&T. When I went to Thailand the SIM Card cost me $4 and for another
> just over $20 I had 1 gig of prepaid data and a bunch of local phone minutes
> 
> 
> 
> Most of the world including Europe and Asia is much more ahead when it comes
> to low-cost and prepaid phone and data services. In most of those countries
> you can get prepaid data which here in the USA and in Canada is not easy if
> at all possible. As soon as the carrier here know you have an iPhone they
> all see 2 year contracts and expensive plans.
> 
> 
> 
> If you go to France I suggest you just google "using my iPhone in France" or
> "prepaid mobile phone service in France for visitors" and I'm sure you find
> good information. You can also do what I did and that is to write an email
> to Rob from the Today in iOS Podcast and ask if he could put the question
> out to his listeners. Then you have to listen to the next couple of episodes
> to see who called in with information. I did that for my trip to Thailand
> and had about 3 or 4 responses which rob read or played on the show and I
> had a good idea which carriers to avoid and which to look for. If that is
> something you want to do, the email is [email protected] and either way, it's a
> very good Podcast to listen to if you are interested in what's going on with
> Apple and iOS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> 
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
> Of Alan Lemly
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:01 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Mobile Phone Service and International Travel
> 
> 
> 
> I've only been an iPhone user for about 4 months so please forgive the
> elementary nature of some of my questions. When I first joined this list, I
> remember reading a few posts about traveling to other countries with your
> mobile phone. The issue being discussed had to do with mobile plans and
> getting SIM cards in the visited country and not with charging of the
> device.
> 
> 
> 
> Can someone please give an overview of how to use your iPhone in another
> country such as France when traveling? I assume the issue is that whoever is
> providing the mobile service in your home country is not in the visited
> country so fees can really run up. What I don't understand is how you get
> service at a more reasonable rate when traveling internationally by
> purchasing a SIM card in the host country. Does the type of card you get
> have anything to do with your current phone service provider as it seems to
> in this country? I wouldn't think so but I'm fishing here. Do you get a new
> phone number to use while traveling? Is there any way to use your current
> phone number and what about having access to your contacts?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm really just looking for a primer on this issue so if anyone knows of a
> good website to direct me to, that would be great. Thanks in advance for any
> information on this topic.
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Lemly
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