Hi,

Yeah.

I pointed out most of what you mentioned below.  But, being able to work with 
something doesn’t mean that it will work well.  I mean, I remember Windows XP 
minimum requirements were a joke.  Maybe, you could get a machine running with 
Microsofts posted minimum requirements but, I doubt it would be a fun 
experience.  Throw in a screen reader on top?  You have a disaster on your 
hands.  lol.  Of course, its not to this extreme with an iPhone 4 running IOS 7 
but, I think we might be a bit delusional if we think the performance won’t 
degrade with IOS 7.  And keep in mind, the 4S was the first dual core variant 
of the iPhone.  So even your 4S has a distinct advantage over an iPhone 4. 

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:

> If we're talking about IOS 7 then the comparison has to be with an iPhone 4 
> running IOS 7 versus the same iPhone 4 running IOS 6. Of course the new 
> iPhone 5s will perform better with IOS 7 than an iPhone 4. the same was true 
> with IOS 6. I myself am running IOS 7 on an iPhone 4S, and I don't notice any 
> appreciable performance difference.
> 
> I also don't think we should let Apple off the hook. The iPhone 5s may have a 
> 64-bit processor, 2 cores and a gig of memory, but that doesn't mean that IOS 
> 7 was designed just for that platform. I'm sure IOS 7 will take advantage of 
> that hardware, but remember IOS 7 is intended to run on the iPhone 4 and 
> beyond. Apple is still manufacturing the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5C, and 
> they have a commitment to making IOS 7 a good user experience on those 
> platforms. There's no reason IOS 7 couldn't be tuned to run well on both the 
> iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5S.
> 
> On 10/05/2013 06:29 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Maybe it depends on your level of expectations, and perception.  I thought 
>> IOS 6 on an iPhone 4 was slow.  I’ve used an iPhone 4 with IOS 7, and found 
>> it really, really, slow.  haha.  I mean, the hardware is three and a half 
>> years old, has 512MB of RAM, 1 core, etc.  And we are now talking about an 
>> OS which was designed with a 64 bit Processor, 1GB of RAM, and 2 cores in 
>> mind.  How could the iPhone 4 not be slow?  Especially with Voiceover.  I 
>> guess this will be partly determined by what you do with your phone.  If you 
>> just place calls and text, you probably won’t be too inconvenienced.  But 
>> keep in mind, My primary device is an iPhone 5 so, I have something for 
>> comparison.  I honestly think what Pablo complained about before, has little 
>> relevance here.  Maybe its a bit of the boy who cried wolf?  I think the 
>> downloading of the OS should be controlled by the auto update feature 
>> myself.  If you have this turned off, the OS doesn’t get downloaded with out 
>> you manually doing so.
>> 
>> And again, This issue doesn’t really bother me.  I’m just point out, I’m not 
>> the segment of user who is needlessly inconvenienced either.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> [email protected]
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ricardo,
>>> 
>>> I understand Pablo's frustration to some degree. However, Pablo has an
>>> iPhone 5 and an iPhone 4 and he chose, and "chose" is the important word
>>> here, to upgrade both devices to iOS 7. He complained just as much a year
>>> ago when he upgraded from iOS 5 to iOS 6 which is why Raul posted what he
>>> posted.
>>> 
>>> So, why don't we just agree that a number of people are not happy with the
>>> fact that iOS 7 automatically downloads to their device. That one I do
>>> understand and I would support them in asking Apple to make this optional.
>>> What I don't get and don't support is the complaint about his iPhone 4
>>> running slow on iOS 7. Maybe Voiceover does make a big difference, but I
>>> know at least 4 or 5 people who have an iPhone 4 and who say iOS 7 runs just
>>> fine and for the most part it's just as responsive. I also do recall some
>>> people on the list saying that they feel some things may have slowed down a
>>> bit but that overall it's a totally acceptable experience. There are quite a
>>> few factors which make a difference as to how well a device runs and we all
>>> know that even the same model can exhibit different behaviors. What's
>>> important is that Pablo was fully aware of how Apple does things, he knew
>>> the risks and he knew that he could not downgrade. If I had an iPhone 4 I
>>> would have considered all of that before, I would have made sure I had a
>>> manual restore file of iOS 6 downloaded to my computer and then I would have
>>> upgraded right away on day 1, I would have spend a day or 2 assessing the
>>> performance and, had I not been happy, I would have downgraded while it was
>>> possible. I am fully aware that not everybody is that tech savvy and plans
>>> ahead like this, but Pablo should have known better. He has definitely a
>>> valid concern regarding the space that the update takes, but he does not
>>> have a valid point when it comes to actually installing iOS 7 on his iPhone
>>> 4 since to my best knowledge he does also own an iPhone 5 which will and
>>> does run iOS 7 very well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
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