Hi Robert, I'm afraid I have to disagree when you say that no amount of complaining will change something. I believe in the power of advocacy, and also in the rule of law. In Europe, Apple has already had to change some of its practices because in the past they have not conformed to EU law. They've already had to offer a micro-USB adapter in those markets, and there's some suggestion that the Lightening adapters themselves may well not last if Apple wants to continue to sell there. They are not above the law. And if Apple is violating consumer guarantee law, then it is Apple who must change, whether they've done something for years or not. Many markets have very strict laws regarding products being fit for purpose, having clear access to the advertised space, etc. They're skating on very thin ice here and I for one do not believe lying down and accepting it is right, responsible or appropriate. For years, they have been price gouging in Australia, charging much higher prices for iTunes content than is appropriate given the current exchange rate. Just like any other company, they were forced to appear before a Parliamentary Committee, account for their actions and possibly be subject to regulation. There is nothing that exempts Apple from due process, nor should there be. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org
On 7/10/2013, at 9:55 AM, ROBERT CARTER <nc5rn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I very much agree with Cara. This should be taken up with Apple. I don't > doubt that the iPhone 4 might have some difficulty running iOS 7. Apple does > have second to none customer service. I bet they will find a way to help. > > Robert Carter > On Oct 6, 2013, at 2:13 PM, "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, the problem is the IOs 7 is making the phone very slow, and is very >> hard to work on this device, since IOs 7 appeared. If IOs 7 didn't make my >> iPhone 4 so slow, probably I would not been saying anything. But use an >> iPhone 4 who takes 22 seconds to open settings, and if I go to mail, >> contacts, ...., it takes 14 more seconds to open that part in settings. Is >> very annoying work like this. I don't care if apple wants to keep updated >> every body. But the update should not became our devices in devices very >> hard to be use, or devices that are becoming in unusable devices due the >> last update. >> Those cases that you explained to us, sound very nice, but if I don't want >> to install an update, apple has not right to fill my iPhone memory. It is >> the memory of my iPhone, no the memory of apple's iPhone. So I paid it, and >> it is my. >> You know, property rights. If I want to put my iPhone under a drill, it is >> my iPhone, and I am able to do with it, what ever I want. If I want to put >> my iPhone inside the pool, it is my iPhone, and I am able to do what ever I >> want with my iPhone. But apple doesn't have rights to download anything in >> the memory of my iPhone without my permission. Apple doesn't have right to >> push me to install an operated system that makes my iPhone so slow, and with >> bunches of bugs. They don't have rights on my property. >> you know, property rights. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: ROBERT CARTER >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:30 PM >> Subject: Re: Automatic iOS 7 download and space considerations >> >> Hi, >> >> I would like to address this issue from a historical perspective. >> >> Since it was founded back in 1976, Apple has always been about moving >> forward even if that meant canabilizing its own product line. We saw it when >> they moved from the Apple II to the Mac. Again when they replaced an >> extremely successful top selling iPod with the iPod Nano. >> >> Each time a new version of OS X or iOS is released, the previous version is >> unavailable by the very next day on every piece of hardware that is for sale >> in an Apple store. Apple moves forward leaving the earlier OS behind. >> >> If, for whatever reason, you choose to stay with an older version there will >> always be a price to pay. Stick with Snow Leopard and you will not have >> iCloud. Stick with iOS 6 and you will have 3 GB less space on your device. >> Apple wants all of its customers to run the latest version. They are about >> moving forward. Apple has never apologized for pushing out the latest >> operating system. It is at the core of Apple's DNA. People who don't >> understand this don't have a good understanding of Apple's philosophy. This >> is understandable given that so many people have recently come to Apple >> devices. >> >> This approach is extremely successful with the majority already having >> upgraded to iOS 7. Of course there are bugs but most of us find the >> advantages outweigh the disadvantages of using the current operating system. >> Since Apple wants its customers to keep buying products, it will fix the >> bugs. >> >> A willingness to move forward or an acceptance that one pays the price for >> choosing not to do so is just the way it works. No amount of complaining >> will change this reality. >> >> If you decide that 3 GB of space is to much of a price to pay for staying >> with iOS 6, you could upgrade or you could switch to Android. They, >> unfortunately, have the opposite problem where many devices cannot or are >> not allowed to run the latest version of the OS. Like with Apple, this >> reality is just the way it is. No amount of complaining will change it. >> >> Robert Carter >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Jonathan as always explains things like nobody else and I do agree that the >>> automatic downloading of iOS 7 is maybe not something Apple should force on >>> people even though it is also not new since they did the same with iOS 5 >>> and iOS 6. >>> Here is a point, though, which I wonder about: >>> People mostly complain that on something like a 16 Gb phone this update >>> takes up a lot of space and I would agree that it does. If you only have >>> maybe 3 or 4 Gb free space and this is almost 3 Gb it doesn’t leave you >>> with much. If you use a 16 Gb phone but you don’t really fill your device >>> with music and only use storage space for some apps, maybe a few books or >>> pictures, then you probably have at least 6 or 8 Gb free space in which >>> case it’s a mute point if half of that space is used up by the update since >>> chances are you won’t run out of space. >>> If your phone is so full that maybe you only have 1 Gb free I wonder what >>> happens then. I somehow doubt Apple randomly can delete stuff from your >>> phone to make room for the update, it is my guess that if you went to >>> Software Update in General Settings it would have an “Download and Install” >>> option since it could not download the update and if you tried it you would >>> be informed that there wasn’t enough space. At that point you would have to >>> take off (un-sync) some music, pictures, books or apps depending on what >>> you have on your phone to fill it up should you want to install the update, >>> afterwards you could resync that content. >>> So, maybe this is something to remember next year as a work-around. If you >>> have a 16 Gb device and don’t want a new iOS update to download, simply >>> make sure you fill your device with content and only leave maybe less than >>> 2 Gb free for use, this way there is not enough space for the update to >>> download and you are good to go. If you have 5, 6 or 8 Gb of free space or >>> even more then having the just under 3 Gb download sitting on your device >>> is a mute point. Should people have to do this? No, probably not, I think >>> Apple should put something into the Settings which just as you can turn off >>> automatic app updates allows you to turn off automatic iOS update >>> downloads. They could even have this set to On by default since then it’s >>> up to each person who cares enough to not want this to turn it off. >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> a quarter or and have a smaller >>> First, it is my understanding that this only downloads via >>> is a point, though, regarding space. 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