Alex has a great post below. The only thing I would add, that might
help, is that the cursor on the iPhone and the Mac is a vertical line
that is placed between two characters. VO announces the character that
the cursor jumps over. New characters are inserted where the cursor is
located between the two characters. The delete key is a backspace key,
so it deletes the cursor to the left of the vertical line representing
the cursor, which is the character you just heard spoken when moving
right to left.
In Windows, the cursor is a line that appears under a character. Your
Windows screen reader reads the character above the line. If you hit the
delete key, it'll delete that character and if you backspace, you're
deleting the character to the left of that character. When you insert
text, you're inserting it to the left of the character the cursor is under.
I'm not sure it'll help, but when I realized this is what was going on,
it all made a lot more sense to me. I'd also suggest bringing up a note
in the Notes app, and just practicing until you get the hang of it.
On 5/28/2014 8:28 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
Here's the thing: VoiceOver speaks the character you pass, whereas
Windows screen readers always speak the character to the left of the
cursor, I believe. Let's trace an example to make this clearer:
Say we have the word "iPhone" and, for whatever reason, we want to
erase the "i" at the beginning of it. Change your rotor to characters,
and flick up; you will be moved backward, character by character: i,
n, o, h, capital p, i. VO tells you the character it passes, and
because you are moving backward, it is being placed on the left of the
characters is speaks. That is, if you hit delete once you reach the i,
you will delete the space before the word; VO told you "i" as it
passed the i, moving left, so the cursor is now between the space and
the i. To erase that i, you'd either stop at the p, so the cursor is
between it and the i, or you'd move right one character. In the latter
case, VO will say "i" again as it once more passes the i, this time
moving right. Since it spoke the i as it moved forward, you can be
confident that deleting will take out the i; again, the cursor is now
between the i and the p.
It is very hard to get used to this system if you use Windows screen
readers, but the Mac is set up the same way. Honestly, I now find it
much more sensible to do things this way, and Windows gets me all
confused. Apple reports the true position of the cursor (which
characters it is between) rather than always the character to one
side. This is closer to the way the cursor looks visually, and it is a
much easier way to track where you are. It takes getting used to, but
you will eventually have an 'ah ha" moment and come to love this
method. At least I did. :)
On May 28, 2014, at 8:20 AM, isaac <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes I am noticing that too. I don't think you can delete a space when
using the rotor you have to delete the previous character before you
can delete the space.
isaac
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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On May 26, 2014, at 10:12 PM, bhavesh dhanak
<[email protected]> wrote:
hi frnds, i m facing difficulty in edditing:
sometimes it deletes the character which voice over speaks, sometimes
the previous 1.
Example:
i phone
now if i wonna remove space after i, and i go to p, then it deletes p,
sometimes space.
Pls guide me, and explain me how d edditing works...
Thx chears!
On 5/26/14, Penny Reeder <[email protected]> wrote:
Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
possible.
Penny
On 5/26/14, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the
increment
you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move
back by
that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to
move by
line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where
you want
to
edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says
"insertion
point at end" and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need
to go
to
a certain part to edit back what i've type.
How do I do that?
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