On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:49 AM, "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]> wrote:
As I recall, he says that one has to recharge their battery every day. I,
for one, have never had to do that. True, I don't play 24 hours of music or
use the phone or other applications 12 to 15 hours a day, just to pick some
random numbers, but I can often go for days without recharging. It's this
kind of blanket statement that makes me wonder how much time he spent with
his phone.
Neal
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just to answer the question, though it's straying off-topic for this list:
the update to the Samsung Haven and the Jitterbug are the only two feature
phones i know of that are totally accessible.
Teresa
"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P.
Feynman
On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher J Chaltain <[email protected]>
wrote:
I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this
totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.
The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone
without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep
track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts and so
on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if they do,
it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind person's option if
they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart phone?
I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing,
but why should blind people be any different than the general population.
This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've never said a blind
person should be able to use all of the features of a smart phone and not
have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a valid point though the blind
people do not have the feature phone option and the ability to use a cell
phone without a data plan that sighted people do.
On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have
been complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released.
Some people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for
everything it can do. AT&T would not sell an iPhone on contract without a
data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.
Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so
forgot about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function.
Oh, and the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data
plan, tended to complain because many of those desired features were then
crippled.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: [email protected]
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop <[email protected]> wrote:
The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple
does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?
Also has he ever heard of wifi?
Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb
technology user's group. Don't know if still is or not.
Din
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From: Neal Ewers <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some
time. It would have been interesting if the article had been
written by someone younger.
Neal
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Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone
Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't
get one. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod
Touch, or an iPad without a data plan. What are those, you say?
Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards they're not as fast for anyone
as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old method of using the
teeny keys on a "real" phone keyboard or even the numpad keys for
typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
What is Siri? Hmmm.
I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center
who receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate
them. A well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they
ask me why they can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit
more one-on-one attention would have been a good idea.
having said this, I think this article is more than a tad
condescending, if addressed to most blind folks out there.
Teresa
"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
<[email protected]> wrote:
Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor? there is an article
covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone. I have to admit that it
would be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things
which are "not good" about the iPhone but this article supposedly
did just that. I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming
week with my responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that
it's one of the most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever
read from that magazine. Please, understand that this is not meant
as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or even a
criticism of the Monitor. However, the piece infuriated me because
the NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its
members and readers of the Monitor will take the article seriously
just because it comes from a nationally recognized blindness
organization. My fear is that many people may read this article and
will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things which the article
claims are "not good" about the device.
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