I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.

The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts and so on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if they do, it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind person's option if they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart phone?

I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing, but why should blind people be any different than the general population. This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've never said a blind person should be able to use all of the features of a smart phone and not have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a valid point though the blind people do not have the feature phone option and the ability to use a cell phone without a data plan that sighted people do.

On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some people do 
not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for everything it can do. 
AT&T would not sell an iPhone on contract without a data plan, and the 
unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.

Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so forgot 
about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. Oh, and 
the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data plan, 
tended to complain because many of those desired features were then crippled.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop <[email protected]> wrote:

The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple does 
not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also has 
he ever heard of wifi?

Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb technology 
user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
Din


----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Ewers <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
younger.

Neal

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. If
you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad without
a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
method of using the teeny keys on a "real" phone keyboard or even the numpad
keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
What is Siri? Hmmm.

I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why they
can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one attention
would have been a good idea.

having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, if
addressed to most blind folks out there.

Teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
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Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would be
very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are "not
good" about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan to
write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible pieces
of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or even
a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and readers
of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from a
nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people
may read this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to
things which the article claims are "not good" about the device.
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