Microsoft does help make the internet more accessible and safer, but this issue is bigger than Microsoft. Mozilla didn't write the Wevvisum plug in for Firefox, that was done by someone other than the browser developer. IE does allow for plugins to be developed.

Solving image captchas is just a stop gap solution since captcha technology will keep changing. IMHO, this has to be solved through a combination of technology and advocacy.

If it's solved at the browser level then you're leaving out the other browsers, such as Chrome, Safari and so on.

If it's solved on a web site by web site basis then there's no reason for Microsoft's competitors, like Google, Apple, Yahoo! and so on to adopt whatever Microsoft comes up with.

Microsoft can't dictate what happens on the web or on everyone's desktop like they could 20 years ago, and although this has some down sides, it also has some advantages, such as choice and innovation.

On 08/04/2014 07:11 AM, Rose Combs wrote:
For heaven sakes, Microsoft is Microsoft, we all have to use it to some
extent, especially if we are working.  They should be able to help make
the web accessible including security stuff.  Hackers who to malicious
code should have their keyboards zap them!

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Flor Lynch
*Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:06 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

Sorry,  but since Microsoft is often a target, in such case I wouldn't
'bank' on it not being broken or hacked into by spammers.

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    *From:*Rose Combs <mailto:roseco...@q.com>

    *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

    *Sent:*Sunday, August 03, 2014 11:53 PM

    *Subject:*RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

    Well Then Microsoft should make something similar that accomplishes
    the same thing in my humble opinion.

    *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Flor Lynch
    *Sent:* Sunday, August 03, 2014 7:19 AM
    *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    *Subject:* Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

    As for WebVisum the CAPTCHA-solving plugin that work with firefox,
    they can't get it working with internet Explorer because they don't
    have access to the Microsoft coding for IE and it would be too
    expensive for them to get it. that was the story there, and i think
    it still is. SomeCAPTCHA's are harder to resolve, because they are
    dynamic (i.e. changing within a short time), than others are.

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        *From:*Rose Combs <mailto:roseco...@q.com>

        *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

        *Sent:*Sunday, August 03, 2014 1:31 PM

        *Subject:*RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

        They need to make security accessible with alternatives that
        work for everyone, not just those with eyes to see it with.  I
        thought I had an account, but it does not work and I suppose
        maybe I could use the one my husband had, might work if only I
        knew the password for it but someone night get suspicious since
        he is no longer on my bank account.  Kind of difficult for him
        to use his account since he passed in May.  Good thing I guess
        since he can't spend on more junk.

        I will always maintain that if a CAPTCHA is of necessity then
        there needs to be a solid reasonable way for someone who can't
        read it to be able to use an alternative that isn't difficult to
        use.  I don't care what browser is used, it should have an
        alternative.

        There are lots of elderly persons out there on the internet that
        can't see enough to read those things, what do they do whether
        they use magnification software, screen readers or large
        monitors.  Isn't this what accessibility is all about, access
        for everyone?

        Don't get me started, I have one very difficult time getting
        Google's audible to work, it was so fuzzy it took weeks before I
        finally got a code I could type in fast enough not to generate
        another one and it was more dumb luck than skill that finally
        got me in.  My late husband had trouble reading it also and give
        up on it long before I did.  They left me no way to communicate
        the difficulty.  Great search engine, no customer support that I
        know of, no way to let them know one can't understand the
        audible they provide.  I mostly use it for this account and my
        searches, have no real interest in trying other features that
        may make me encounter that process again.

        I should not have to have a specific browser, one I don't
        personally trust all that much, and a specific plug-in, a
        plug-in, yes but it should work with any browser.  I should not
        have to figure out how to get the image to some site that no
        longer works, and if websites wish to keep doing this they
        should be paying for solutions, not me.  It is my right to have
        access,.

        OK, I am off the soapbox for now.  It is a hot button for me,
        has from its conception and implementation.

        I understand security but it needs to work for every person not
        just those who can see the graphic and manage to get it in fast
        enough for it to be accepted.

        *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
        [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Flor Lynch
        *Sent:* Saturday, August 02, 2014 2:50 PM
        *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
        *Subject:* Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

        If and when you do get the payPal issue sorted out, be assured
        that it'll be worth it. they and we need security, so some sort
        of verification code is necessary to authenticate the user. For
        one-off payments, sometimes a credit card is a preferred option.
        I think I remember coming across that option when I got "iOS7
        Without the eyes".

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            *From:*Rose Combs <mailto:roseco...@q.com>

            *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

            *Sent:*Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:51 PM

            *Subject:*RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

            I am giving up, can't get in as a guest it keeps running in
            circles when all fields are full with correct info and when
            I tried to sign up ran into an ugly Captcha, I am so very
            disappointed but I cannot spend days trying to get this to
            work.  Load of other things to do related to family issues,
            or more relevant to the lack of a family member.

            I had someone else to help last year, albeit from a hospital
            bed.  Same on PayPal something isn't right there and no
            clues, except last night it told me it did not like my city,
            well I have lived here for 39 years, it isn't going anywhere.

            Sorry, frustrated because something that should easy and
            inexpensive to get isn't working for me.

            Enough said, for now.

            *>From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
            [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mosen
            *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
            *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
            *Subject:* Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

            Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this
            here.

            Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye".
            The response was just incredible and many thousands of
            people bought it. I got great feedback, and people have been
            asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.

            I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are
            now available for "iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be
            released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, but you can secure
            your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release day.

            Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all
            important add to cart button, can be found here.

            
http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/

            Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my
            work. I'm so pleased many of you find it helpful and your
            business means a lot.

            All the best.

            Jonathan Mosen

            Mosen Consulting

            Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

            http://Mosen.org

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