Hi Richard. Thank you for the information.
I have looked at their site, it looks interesting. Do you know if braille is supported? It ought to be, but when using AT&T, speech it could be without braille support. Best regards Annie. Den 30/08/2014 kl. 20.32 skrev Richard Turner <[email protected]>: > No one should compare free hand scanning with a flatbed scanner. That is > like comparing apples and oranges. > However, if one uses a stand for the iPhone like either the Giraffe Reader or > the Standscan, then you can get equal results with Prizmo as with a flatbed > scanner; i.e. 100 percent accuracy if the printed document is extremely good. > > The true comparison will come when someone uses Prizmo or TextGrabber and the > KNFB Reader app free hand. > > JMO, > Richard > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Kelly Pierce > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: knfb reader > > I am not expecting this app to be as good as K1000 with a high quality > flatbed document scanner. Taking a picture of a document 12 to 18 > inches above it does not yield the same image quality with a camera > millimeters from the document surface that is completely flat and lit > with a bright light again millimeters from the document surface. > Further, the user likely will not hold the camera at exactly 180 > degrees from the document, as it will take the image with the phone > being held in the hand. Some are expecting perfection or results that > are better from software 10 times the price or with equipment 10 to 20 > times the price. KNFB is not claiming this level of accuracy and > reliability nor can it really. It is the limitation of the technology. > The company says it will deliver performance equal to or greater than > that of the original KNFB Reader. This technology was widely praised > at the time, but it was unaffordable to many. Now, the price point has > been dramatically lowered. If it can match or better the performance > of the original KNFB reader without using a stand or an external > lighting source, the app will be worth it to me and I suspect many > other people. I would like to read signs as I travel and hope the app > does this effectively. > > I am waiting until the product release before analyzing any more > information from the company. At the NFB convention, Jim Gashel said > the app would support the iPhone 4s in response to a question. Now, > it seems the company says the app will only support the iPhone 5 > series and iPhone 6. I can imagine that final beta testing revealed > that the processor on the 4s did not deliver reasonable enough > performance. Yet, the company has now walked back from promised > product functionality. > > Kelly > > > > > On 8/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >> If KNFB Reader's ability to guide the user to take good pictures works as >> advertised then in my opinion it's worth the price. Don't forget many on the >> list have paid $15 to $20 for 2 or 3 different OCR apps and another $30 to >> $50 for some sort of stand like the Standscan or even more in the case of >> the Giraffe, to make it possible to take the best picture possible. Add that >> up and a lot of people have already spend $50 to $70 or $80 and compared to >> that KNFB Reader is not so much more. I too bought a Standscan, but while I >> might use it here and there at home, I just can't be bothered to bring it >> with me. For me being able to take good pictures and get good results free >> hand is definitely worth $99 especially since I explained how one can get >> this for at least 10% or even 20% less by buying a discounted iTunes gift >> card. With back to school they should be around. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:22 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> For 99 bucks, it would have to blow everything else out of the water 6 ways >> >> to Sunday. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan >> >> Go Chicago Bears in 2014! >> >> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now!!!!! >> Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. >> >> Please click on: >> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on >> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my >> >> website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kelly Pierce" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:59 PM >> Subject: Re: knfb reader >> >> >> Given all of the many changes Apple announced to the camera app at >> WWDC in June, I thought it seemed a little silly to announce at the >> NFB convention the release date would be two to three weeks before the >> release of iOS8. Why not avoid all the goofs who download the app >> right after release, don't upgrade properly, and then complain about >> the app not preforming properly. Releasing after iOS 8 would encourage >> folks to install on top of the new iOS rather than the old one. From a >> marketing perspective, many people in North America and Europe are on >> vacation in August, going back to school, or otherwise tuned out. This >> weekend, Chicago has its jazz festival. The last thing I want to do is >> learn a new iPhone app on one of the last warm weekends of summer. >> >> I agree with Sieghard, the KNFB folks likely ran out of runway and >> needed to abort take off on the timeframe announced in early July, >> causing us to speculate needlessly on why this company cannot properly >> meet its commitments. This app has been hyped beyond belief. Will it >> slice bread after it is released? People are expecting perfection and >> the extraordinary. I'm waiting to learn about actual end user >> experiences beyond a scripted demonstration or from the favored people >> KNFB decided to allow to interact with the app. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >> On 8/29/14, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> >>> >>> >>> Correct, from what I heard iOS 8 is expected to be released to the public >>> on >>> Wednesday, September 17 followed by the iPhone 6 on Friday the 19th. I >>> guess >>> we'll find out on Tuesday in a week whether there will be a 4.7 inch and >>> a >>> 5.5 inch iPhone 6 or if there will only be the 4.7 inch model for now >>> with >>> the larger one to follow later. I also heard rumours now that an iWatch >>> may >>> be announced on the 9th as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the expected 13 Megapixel iPhone 6 camera which is rumoured to >>> actually protrude a bit beyond the thickness of the phone along with >>> these >>> under the hood changes will make KNFB Reader on an iPhone 6 even better, >>> but >>> that certainly is not a reason why the app can't be released for the 5S >>> with >>> iOS 7 unless they are just not ready to release it to the public in which >>> case they should just say so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Jonathan Mosen >>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 4:04 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: knfb reader >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe KNFB are incorrect in thinking that iOS 8 will be released on >>> or >>> about the 10th. >>> >>> Apple's event is on the 9th. If Apple's past timetable is followed, and >>> they >>> have been very consistent in recent years, the Gold master of iOS 8 will >>> be >>> released to developers right after the presentation. >>> >>> That gives developers a few days to find absolute show stoppers, and they >>> would have to be absolutely huge, for any change to be made. The iOS >>> itself >>> is released about a week later. That would make iOS 8 release day the >>> 17th. >>> >>> One possible reason for KNFB delaying the release is if they are using >>> some >>> of the cool new APIs in 8. There are a lot of under the hood changes to >>> the >>> camera. >>> >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> >>> Mosen Consulting >>> >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/08/2014, at 9:47 am, Gmail <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At first I thought their reason for delaying the app's release actually >>> held >>> some water, but now that I have read your message, I agree with you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ari >>> >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Well, that's one way to get another 2 weeks of time. The argument to wait >>> with the release until iOS 8 is released is in my opinion just an excuse. >>> KNFB had access to iOS 8 since June 2 and I bet they have tested the app >>> on >>> the various iOS 8 Betas and that everything works just fine. In any case, >>> if >>> they release the app the same day as iOS 8 will become available to the >>> public it hardly gives them time to hear feedback and so on. Anyhow, just >>> saying, >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sieghard >>> >>> >>> >>> From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected][ >>> <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf >>> OfRichard Turner >>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 12:28 PM >>> To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: knfb reader >>> >>> >>> >>> I was just about to post this from the KNFB Reading Technology web site: >>> >>> Responding to worldwide inquiries, K-NFB Reading Technology and Sensotec >>> have announced today that the release of the KNFB Reader iPhone app is >>> being >>> scheduled to coordinate with Apple's upgrade to its new iOS 8 operating >>> system, expected to occur on or about September 10, 2014...Read full >>> release >>> here. >>> >>> <http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf> >>> http://www.knfbreader.com/pdf/knfb-Reader-Release_8-29-14.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor >>> Hugo >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:16 PM, "Trea Abma" < <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On twitter: >>> >>> The KNFB Reader iOS app will be released alongside iOS 8 to insure full >>> compatibility with new API's. <http://knfbreader.com/> >>> http://knfbreader.com >>> #Apple #iPHone >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>> list. >>> All new members to the this list are moderated by default. 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