Hi, They recommend 8 to 10 inches above the document. The field of view report tells you anyway if it sees all 4 sides if not, you just raise it a bit. There is excellent indication as to whether you are covering the whole document, if you are rotated left or right and also if you are tilted. I don't know what else they can give us to be positioned correctly. In fact, I can do it very well without my StandScan. Of course, if I still want to use my StandScan, it will work perfectly and it probably will be great if I have long documents. It probably would save me some time.
Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hummmnmnm,.... the logic of it threw me too, so are we to understand the app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this. Kertsweil springs to mind. Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a viewing distence for this? Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution. Rh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kayaker" <sea...@me.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi, I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels. --k Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the questions. On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote: > There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better > results. > I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille > Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand > photography. > Jonathan Mosen > Mosen Consulting > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > http://Mosen.org > >> On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >> wrote: >> >> I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the >> document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been >> thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold >> the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather >> as if i had it in landscape mode? >> /Krister >> >>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org>: >>> >>> Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're >>> doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the >>> phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a >>> page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or >>> visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. >>> Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating >>> you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback >>> before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report, >>> particularly in the early stages. >>> Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org >>> >>>> On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of >>>> gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for >>>> this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's >>>> detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's >>>> stupid.:-) >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>>> 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com>: >>>>> >>>>> I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really >>>>> is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small >>>>> bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige >>>>> background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Eileen; >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s. >>>>>> >>>>>> If and, when I do, I'let everyone know. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi >>>>>> <eileen.misr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Jonathan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, >>>>>>> I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which >>>>>>> iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For >>>>>>> those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an >>>>>>> iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of >>>>>>> the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed >>>>>>> the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with >>>>>>> the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. >>>>>>> ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was >>>>>>> with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks so much for your first impressions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Eileen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G >>>>>>> <theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is now available on the app store to download. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Feliciano >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Like my Facebook page: >>>>>>>> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 >>>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from the Super-iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" >>>>>>>> <brianrmille...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jonathan, >>>>>>>>> So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you >>>>>>>>> just holding the phone over the page or item? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brian M >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM >>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my >>>>>>>>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. >>>>>>>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when >>>>>>>>> it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly >>>>>>>>> well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I >>>>>>>>> received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line >>>>>>>>> up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of >>>>>>>>> view report if you need to for even more information about camera >>>>>>>>> positioning and angle. >>>>>>>>> And, it's fast. 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