Help would be more easily given if people know what you are actually doing. They could then tell you your mistakes.
--- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: Olivia Norman To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Getting results with KNFB reader How is everyone getting great results and what am I doing wrong? Is it because I don't have a 5s? Or because I have no vision and no idea how to use a camera? Just trying to figure out what i need to do here! Frustrated everyone else is doing great but me! Would love any help! Thanks! Olivia Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:38 PM, [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Google Groups Topic digest View all topics a.. KNFB Reader, First Impressions - 8 Updates b.. Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows? - 2 Updates c.. Using iTunes to update will take far less space - 1 Update d.. Family Sharing Purchased Apps - 1 Update e.. knfb reader on Iphone 4s? - 3 Updates f.. IOS 8 and MBraille - 2 Updates g.. Ios8 manual - 2 Updates h.. UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs & NEW iPhones - 2 Updates i.. Keyboard shortcuts - 1 Update j.. Moving apps from the row above the dock (was Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?) - 1 Update k.. iOS 8 and Feeddler RSS Reader - 2 Updates KNFB Reader, First Impressions Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: Sep 18 09:29PM +0200 I had trouble with one type of food box, a carton one, but another with a plastic film on it worked quite well and i even got cooking tips i haven’t seen before.:-) Right now though, i don’t think reading displays and the like wil be an option since you can’t do it in realtime, you first have to change a value or something, then take a picture, go back change the value on teh display again and so on. Slow going. Having said that though, i think i’ll go and experiment with my microwave just because i can, although the tilting guide will probably drive me nuts.:-) /Krister Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: Sep 18 09:34PM +0200 I don’t think it updates, after all this is still pictures, you have to retake a picture for every cursor movement you make, not very practical but imagine a video mode with this kind of precition, now that would be something. /Krister "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 12:46PM -0700 darn now if we could only get it to do that in real time we would have a kick ass way to read minues and the like off of lcds I am surprised they didn't considder this when developing the app. On 9/18/2014 12:34 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:56PM -0400 Jonathan, What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and didn't find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. I, for sure am getting it when I can find it Ron & Danvers From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:58PM -0400 Hi Steph, They don't support it but never said for sure it wouldn't work. I'd be worried about spending $100 knowing they don't support the 4S and, from what they say, is because of the camera. Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Will this work with the iphone 4s? Steph ----- Original Message ----- From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions > would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully? > On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: > I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. > I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. > And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. > It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:00PM -0400 You can use 7.12 Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jenifer Barr Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hi. Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12? Jenifer Barr Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth <[email protected]> wrote: >>> successfully? >>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: >>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. >>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. >>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech. >>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff. >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. 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The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Chuck Dean <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:34PM -0700 Gv hi Stephanie, Yes, I have installed the cayenne FB reader on my iPhone for ass, and it does work. It is slower than the demonstrations, the text does not start reading immediately, it takes about five seconds for it to start reading. But all other functions work perfectly. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. Chuck Dean <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:37PM -0700 Here's a link to the cayenne FB reader apps page in the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8 Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. Back to top Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows? John Diakogeorgiou <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:20PM -0400 ICloud drive will not be supported on the Mac till next month when the OS will get an update. Grant Hardy <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:37PM -0700 It appears that iCloud Drive is supported in the latest iCloud Control Panel. I have not tried enabling it as my primary operating system is now Mac OS X Mavericks, but I did boot up into Windows today and was offered an update to the iCloud Control Panel. iCloud Drive is now one of the services offered. That would be quite unprecedented, if it turns out that this is supported in Windows before Mac users can use it. Grant Back to top Using iTunes to update will take far less space "Neal Ewers" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:35PM -0500 Someone on this list has already reported this, but I just wanted to second it. I was just reading an article about the number of people who are using social media to complain to apple about how much space it used on the device to download and update iOS 8. The article reminded people that using iTunes would take far less room on the device. I don't have the numbers handy, but it is a significant difference. Neal Back to top Family Sharing Purchased Apps Deb Lewis <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:31PM -0700 My husband and I have enabled the family sharing. I am the Organizer and he's the Family Member. He is able to search for apps in the App store and if I've purchased them, he can download them. But he's supposed to be able to go to the Purchased Apps fsection and see what I've downloaded. He used to do this by logging into my account of course. When he goes to Purchased apps it tells him that he's using the Family Sharing for his purchases. But there's no option to choose me as his host for purchases. What are we missing? Thanks in advance. Back to top knfb reader on Iphone 4s? "Thom Spittle" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 02:31PM -0400 I think that the KNFB reader people are not committing to the app working well with a 4S. Other than slower performance, the 4S does not have any inferior parts compared with a 5. A slower processor will slow down the conversion time. So, in my opinion, a 4S should work, but not as well as a 5, 5s, or 6 series. Thom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s? Yes, it's true that the KNFB Reader will not work on an iPhone 4S. Only iPhone 5 and higher. Alan Lemly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Gross Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: knfb reader on Iphone 4s? Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:25PM -0400 If you listen to the people from the company demonstrating it, it isn't supported. Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Gross Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: knfb reader on Iphone 4s? Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. 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Alan Lemly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Gross Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: knfb reader on Iphone 4s? Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s? -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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Back to top IOS 8 and MBraille "Paul and Paula Jordan" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:04PM -0400 Is anyone on the list using MBraille with IOS 8? If so, how is it working? I use it all the time and am unwilling to give it up. Thanks in advance. God bless! Paula and Babe Alex Hall <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:20PM -0400 No problems so far. Admitedly, with the global braille in iOS8 I haven't used Mbraille much, but the times I have, it has worked as expected. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall [email protected] Back to top Ios8 manual Joe Quinn <[email protected]>: Sep 18 02:31PM -0500 Is there a manual for ios8 yet? Thanks John Diakogeorgiou <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:19PM -0400 The link to one was posted hear yesterday. Back to top UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs & NEW iPhones Robin <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:02PM -0700 Can someone answer my question? I'm wondering if I were to attempt to acquire either of the 2 NEW Apple iPhones (Apple iPhone 6+ and/or Apple iPhone 6) via a MobileCarrier's Early UpGrade program (i.e., AT&T's Next, VZW's Edge, etc.) tomorrow, Friday, September 19TH, but the MobileCarrier is SOLD OUT of both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6+, and I decide to wait for them to receive another shipment rather than pre-oreder it that day due to the fact that I must TurnOver My current MobileDvice to them because I'm already on their Early UpGrade program, will that affect my availability to UpGrade Next Year? I hear through the grapevine that the iPhone 6 could be delayed a couple of weeks, and the iPhone 6+ could be delayed about a month. "Charles Rivard" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:14PM -0500 I would ask the source--your provider. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:02 PM Subject: UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs & NEW iPhones Can someone answer my question? I'm wondering if I were to attempt to acquire either of the 2 NEW Apple iPhones (Apple iPhone 6+ and/or Apple iPhone 6) via a MobileCarrier's Early UpGrade program (i.e., AT&T's Next, VZW's Edge, etc.) tomorrow, Friday, September 19TH, but the MobileCarrier is SOLD OUT of both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6+, and I decide to wait for them to receive another shipment rather than pre-oreder it that day due to the fact that I must TurnOver My current MobileDvice to them because I'm already on their Early UpGrade program, will that affect my availability to UpGrade Next Year? I hear through the grapevine that the iPhone 6 could be delayed a couple of weeks, and the iPhone 6+ could be delayed about a month. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Back to top Keyboard shortcuts Jennie Facer <[email protected]>: Sep 18 02:10PM -0600 For some reason, my keyboard shortcuts are showing up on my iPad mini but not my iPhone. Can anyone explain what might be happening here? Jen TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD! Back to top Moving apps from the row above the dock (was Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?) Cheryl Lenartiene <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:02PM -0400 This did not work for me. I had to do as others have suggested and first move an app down into the row above the dock before I could then move apps out of that row. Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone Back to top iOS 8 and Feeddler RSS Reader gs <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:39PM -0400 Here is the answer regarding Feeddler. He is releasing a new version and if you want the pro version it will be necessary to pay again. However, he says a lot of the pro features are included in the free version: http://blog.chebinliu.com/2014/09/feeddler-2-for-ios-8.html On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:26 PM, gs <[email protected]> wrote: I have not yet updated to iOS 8 because the download will not complete. However, Feeddler is an app I use every day and I would have to have to do without it. I hope someone can confirm whether it is unusable with iOS 8. On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Grant Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: Hello all, So far, my apps on iOS 8 are working great except for Feeddler Pro. The app simply crashes every time I attempt to read an article or even browse my list of feeds. Further, I cannot find Feeddler in the App Store anymore, though it does still show up under my purchase history. Reinstalling Feeddler doesn’t help. Anyone else experienced this? Grant -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]>: Sep 19 07:47AM +1200 Working perfectly for me. 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