Krister, right on the main screen, there is a button called flash is on.  If
you double tap it, it will say flash is off and if you double tap it again,
it will say flash is automatic.

HTH
Ron & Danvers


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Getting results with KNFB reader

Ok i have listened to the podcast and should know this, but i can't figure
out where the flash settings are.
/Krister

> 18 sep 2014 kl. 23:45 skrev Michael Feir <[email protected]>:
> 
> Hello Olivia. So far, I've found the automatic flash setting works 
> best. It all depends on the light conditions where you are. Also, make 
> certain the document is flat on the table. Use the field of view 
> report to rotate the phone such that it's as close to 0 degrees as 
> possible. I've found that the larger the document you're trying to 
> scan, the higher off the table you have to hold the phone so that it 
> all fits in the camera's view. Tuilt is also very important. You may 
> find the tuilt guidance setting helpful. This causes your phone to 
> vibrate less often the flatter you hold it over the page. If you feel 
> no vibration and the field view report says all four edges are 
> visible, you should get a good result. Without being there and feeling 
> what you're doing, I'm not sure what else to suggest. I've had 
> splendid results so far. Best of luck to you.
> 
> On 9/18/14, Olivia Norman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> How is everyone getting great results and what am I doing wrong?
>> Is it because I don't have a 5s? Or because I have no vision and no 
>> idea how to use a camera?
>> Just trying to figure out what i need to do here!
>> Frustrated everyone else is doing great but me!
>> Would love any help!
>> Thanks!
>> Olivia
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> View all topics
>>> KNFB Reader, First Impressions - 8 Updates Is iCloud Drive only 
>>> accessible by web browser on Windows? - 2 Updates Using iTunes to 
>>> update will take far less space - 1 Update Family Sharing Purchased 
>>> Apps - 1 Update knfb reader on Iphone 4s? - 3 Updates IOS 8 and 
>>> MBraille - 2 Updates
>>> Ios8 manual - 2 Updates
>>> UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs & NEW iPhones - 2 Updates Keyboard 
>>> shortcuts - 1 Update Moving apps from the row above the dock (was 
>>> Re: have anyone noticed this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?) - 
>>> 1 Update iOS 8 and Feeddler RSS Reader - 2 Updates KNFB Reader, 
>>> First Impressions Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: Sep 
>>> 18 09:29PM +0200
>>> 
>>> I had trouble with one type of food box, a carton one, but another 
>>> with a plastic film on it worked quite well and i even got cooking 
>>> tips i haven't seen before.:-) Right now though, i don't think 
>>> reading displays and the like wil be an option since you can't do it 
>>> in realtime, you first have to change a value or something, then 
>>> take a picture, go back change the value on teh display again and so 
>>> on. Slow going. Having said that though, i think i'll go and 
>>> experiment with my microwave just because i can, although the 
>>> tilting guide will probably drive me nuts.:-) /Krister
>>> 
>>> Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: Sep 18 09:34PM +0200
>>> 
>>> I don't think it updates, after all this is still pictures, you have 
>>> to retake a picture for every cursor movement you make, not very 
>>> practical but imagine a video mode with this kind of precition, now 
>>> that would be something.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>> "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <[email protected]>: Sep 
>>> 18 12:46PM -0700
>>> 
>>> darn now if we could only get it to do that in real time we would 
>>> have a kick ass way to read minues and the like off of lcds I am 
>>> surprised they didn't considder this when developing the app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/18/2014 12:34 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:56PM -0400
>>> 
>>> Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What is the app called in the app store? I searched for KNFB and 
>>> didn't find anything. Perhaps its not in the Canadian app store yet. 
>>> I, for sure am getting it when I can find it
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
>>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>>> 
>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when 
>>> it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. 
>>> It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I 
>>> received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up 
>>> the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view 
>>> report if you need to for even more information about camera 
>>> positioning and angle.
>>> 
>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>> 
>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
>>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing 
>>> this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. 
>>> Outstanding stuff.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> 
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> 
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> 
>>> http://Mosen.org
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:58PM -0400
>>> 
>>> Hi Steph,
>>> 
>>> They don't support it but never said for sure it wouldn't work. I'd 
>>> be worried about spending $100 knowing they don't support the 4S 
>>> and, from what they say, is because of the camera.
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stephanie
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:21 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>> 
>>> Will this work with the iphone 4s?
>>> Steph
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:15 pm
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> would it be possible to read a screen with minues on it successfully?
>>> 
>>>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
>>>> iPhone
>>> 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when 
>>>> it came
>>> to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read 
>>> the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the 
>>> mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is 
>>> incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need 
>>> to for even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
>>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations.
>>>> Certainly
>>> it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
>>> fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training 
>>>> http://Mosen.org
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>>> Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:00PM -0400
>>> 
>>> You can use 7.12
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:37 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Do I have to have iOS 8 installed? Or can I use 7.12?
>>> 
>>> Jenifer Barr
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:08 AM, christopher hallsworth
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> successfully?
>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/18/2014 1:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on 
>>>>>> my
>>> iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
>>>>>> I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even 
>>>>>> when it
>>> came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It 
>>> read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received 
>>> in the mail.
>>> The
>>> feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly 
>>> helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for 
>>> even more information about camera positioning and angle.
>>>>>> And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
>>>>>> speech.
>>>>>> It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations.
>>> Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing 
>>> this simple, fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding
stuff.
>>>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training 
>>>>>> http://Mosen.org
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>>> Chuck Dean <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:34PM -0700
>>> 
>>> Gv hi Stephanie,
>>> Yes, I have installed the cayenne FB reader on my iPhone for ass, 
>>> and it does work. It is slower than the demonstrations, the text 
>>> does not start reading immediately, it takes about five seconds for it
to start reading.
>>> But all other functions work perfectly.
>>> 
>>> Chuck (mobile)
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>> 
>>> Chuck Dean <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:37PM -0700
>>> 
>>> Here's a link to the cayenne FB reader apps page in the App Store:
>>> 
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8
>>> 
>>> Chuck (mobile)
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>> 
>>> Back to top
>>> Is iCloud Drive only accessible by web browser on Windows?
>>> John Diakogeorgiou <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:20PM -0400
>>> 
>>> ICloud drive will not be supported on the Mac till next month when 
>>> the OS will get an update.
>>> 
>>> Grant Hardy <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:37PM -0700
>>> 
>>> It appears that iCloud Drive is supported in the latest iCloud 
>>> Control Panel. I have not tried enabling it as my primary operating 
>>> system is now Mac OS X Mavericks, but I did boot up into Windows 
>>> today and was offered an update to the iCloud Control Panel. iCloud 
>>> Drive is now one of the services offered. That would be quite 
>>> unprecedented, if it turns out that this is supported in Windows before
Mac users can use it.
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
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>>> Using iTunes to update will take far less space "Neal Ewers" 
>>> <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:35PM -0500
>>> 
>>> Someone on this list has already reported this, but I just wanted to 
>>> second it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was just reading an article about the number of people who are 
>>> using social media to complain to apple about how much space it used 
>>> on the device to download and update iOS 8. The article reminded 
>>> people that using iTunes would take far less room on the device. I 
>>> don't have the numbers handy, but it is a significant difference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neal
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>>> Family Sharing Purchased Apps
>>> Deb Lewis <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:31PM -0700
>>> 
>>> My husband and I have enabled the family sharing. I am the Organizer 
>>> and he's the Family Member. He is able to search for apps in the App 
>>> store and if I've purchased them, he can download them. But he's 
>>> supposed to be able to go to the Purchased Apps fsection and see 
>>> what I've downloaded. He used to do this by logging into my account 
>>> of course. When he goes to Purchased apps it tells him that he's 
>>> using the Family Sharing for his purchases. But there's no option to 
>>> choose me as his host for purchases. What are we missing?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Back to top
>>> knfb reader on Iphone 4s?
>>> "Thom Spittle" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 02:31PM -0400
>>> 
>>> I think that the KNFB reader people are not committing to the app 
>>> working well with a 4S. Other than slower performance, the 4S does 
>>> not have any inferior parts compared with a 5. A slower processor 
>>> will slow down the conversion time.
>>> So, in my opinion, a 4S should work, but not as well as a 5, 5s, or 
>>> 6 series.
>>> 
>>> Thom
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of Alan Lemly
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:00 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's true that the KNFB Reader will not work on an iPhone 4S. 
>>> Only iPhone 5 and higher.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of David Gross
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:50 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?
>>> 
>>> Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s?
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>>> Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:25PM -0400
>>> 
>>> If you listen to the people from the company demonstrating it, it 
>>> isn't supported.
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of David Gross
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:50 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?
>>> 
>>> Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s?
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>>> Ron Pelletier <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:27PM -0400
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> They did not say it wouldn't work on the 4S. They simply said they 
>>> don't support it and if you want to try it, you will get reduced 
>>> functionality
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>>> Behalf Of Alan Lemly
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:00 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?
>>> 
>>> Yes, it's true that the KNFB Reader will not work on an iPhone 4S. 
>>> Only iPhone 5 and higher.
>>> 
>>> Alan Lemly
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Behalf Of David Gross
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:50 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?
>>> 
>>> Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s?
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>>> IOS 8 and MBraille
>>> "Paul and Paula Jordan" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:04PM 
>>> -0400
>>> 
>>> Is anyone on the list using MBraille with IOS 8? If so, how is it 
>>> working?
>>> I use it all the time and am unwilling to give it up. Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> God bless!
>>> 
>>> Paula and Babe
>>> Alex Hall <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:20PM -0400
>>> 
>>> No problems so far. Admitedly, with the global braille in iOS8 I 
>>> haven't used Mbraille much, but the times I have, it has worked as
expected.
>>> 
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>>> Ios8 manual
>>> Joe Quinn <[email protected]>: Sep 18 02:31PM -0500
>>> 
>>> Is there a manual for ios8 yet? Thanks John Diakogeorgiou 
>>> <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:19PM -0400
>>> 
>>> The link to one was posted hear yesterday.
>>> 
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>>> UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs & NEW iPhones Robin 
>>> <[email protected]>: Sep 18 01:02PM -0700
>>> 
>>> Can someone answer my question? I'm wondering if I were to attempt 
>>> to acquire either of the 2 NEW Apple iPhones (Apple iPhone 6+ and/or 
>>> Apple iPhone 6) via a MobileCarrier's Early UpGrade program (i.e., 
>>> AT&T's Next, VZW's Edge, etc.) tomorrow, Friday, September 19TH, but 
>>> the MobileCarrier is SOLD OUT of both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 
>>> 6+, and I decide to wait for them to receive another shipment rather 
>>> than pre-oreder it that day due to the fact that I must TurnOver My 
>>> current MobileDvice to them because I'm already on their Early 
>>> UpGrade program, will that affect my availability to UpGrade Next Year?
>>> 
>>> I hear through the grapevine that the iPhone 6 could be delayed a 
>>> couple of weeks, and the iPhone 6+ could be delayed about a month.
>>> "Charles Rivard" <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:14PM -0500
>>> 
>>> I would ask the source--your provider.
>>> 
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>>> finished, you! really! are! finished!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robin" <[email protected]>
>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:02 PM
>>> Subject: UpGrade: Early upGrade Programs & NEW iPhones
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can someone answer my question? I'm wondering if I were to attempt 
>>> to acquire either of the 2 NEW Apple iPhones (Apple iPhone 6+ and/or 
>>> Apple iPhone 6) via a MobileCarrier's Early UpGrade program (i.e., 
>>> AT&T's Next, VZW's Edge, etc.) tomorrow, Friday, September 19TH, but 
>>> the MobileCarrier is SOLD OUT of both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 
>>> 6+, and I decide to wait for them to receive another shipment rather 
>>> than pre-oreder it that day due to the fact that I must TurnOver My 
>>> current MobileDvice to them because I'm already on their Early 
>>> UpGrade program, will that affect my availability to UpGrade Next Year?
>>> 
>>> I hear through the grapevine that the iPhone 6 could be delayed a 
>>> couple of weeks, and the iPhone 6+ could be delayed about a month.
>>> 
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>>> Keyboard shortcuts
>>> Jennie Facer <[email protected]>: Sep 18 02:10PM -0600
>>> 
>>> For some reason, my keyboard shortcuts are showing up on my iPad 
>>> mini but not my iPhone. Can anyone explain what might be happening here?
>>> Jen
>>> 
>>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
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>>> Moving apps from the row above the dock (was Re: have anyone noticed 
>>> this serious problem with iOS8 on the 4S?) Cheryl Lenartiene 
>>> <[email protected]>: Sep 18 04:02PM -0400
>>> 
>>> This did not work for me. I had to do as others have suggested and 
>>> first move an app down into the row above the dock before I could 
>>> then move apps out of that row.
>>> 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all 
>>> circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
>>> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> iOS 8 and Feeddler RSS Reader
>>> gs <[email protected]>: Sep 18 03:39PM -0400
>>> 
>>> Here is the answer regarding Feeddler. He is releasing a new version 
>>> and if you want the pro version it will be necessary to pay again. 
>>> However, he says a lot of the pro features are included in the free
version:
>>> http://blog.chebinliu.com/2014/09/feeddler-2-for-ios-8.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:26 PM, gs <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not yet updated to iOS 8 because the download will not complete.
>>> However, Feeddler is an app I use every day and I would have to have 
>>> to do without it. I hope someone can confirm whether it is unusable with
iOS 8.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Grant Hardy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> So far, my apps on iOS 8 are working great except for Feeddler Pro. 
>>> The app simply crashes every time I attempt to read an article or 
>>> even browse my list of feeds. Further, I cannot find Feeddler in the 
>>> App Store anymore, though it does still show up under my purchase
history.
>>> Reinstalling Feeddler doesn't help. Anyone else experienced this?
>>> 
>>> Grant
>>> 
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>>> Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]>: Sep 19 07:47AM +1200
>>> 
>>> Working perfectly for me.
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