Hi Brian,
First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to go. As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a single 2-finger tap. I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is something we all have to figure out for ourselves. Regards, Sieghard From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BrianMiller Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that need fixing… 1. For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger double-tap, just like it were voice over. However, it won’t do this when I try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and kind of annoying. 2. I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning? But then will it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a document if I’m just playing around. 3. It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., holding the phone with both hands, arms on a table, but then it’s hard to do this without covering the speaker at the end of the phone, making it hard to hear; or, to tap the screen to get it to do what I want it to. 4. If I toggle voice over off and then on again, the buttons will no longer respond to a double-tap… I can read the screen, but the app will no longer respond… I have to close the app and reopen it. I should add I am using an iPhone 5, with IOS7. I think it would be quite a challenge to scan an entire book without a standscan pro to hold the phone… It’s hard to hold the page of a book flat, line up the shot, and then get a good pic that reads it correctly with minimal errors. I think this is a big step forward, and the quality of the scans is generally superior, but there is still work to be done here… And of course I’m still learning and practicing how to use the app effectively… No doubt things will get easier in time, and the app will be tweaked to make improvements.. Thanks, Brian Miller From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:26 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: This is exactly why I have opted for the 6 Plus. My understanding of the technology match's David's. The problem is that all the reviews out there are about taking photos the way a sighted person takes photos. Unsurprising given the vast majority of readers are sighted. I agree, actual comparisons would be good and KNFB Technologies may be in the best position to help out here, but apart from the significantly better battery life of the 6 Plus, I'm putting up with the size because I'm confident I'll get better document scans with less effort. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/09/2014, at 1:15 am, Alex Hall <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: I'd still like to see comparisons between the 6 and 6 Plus. From the reviews I've read, the OIS feature in the Plus seems more for low light than anything else, and while it helps, reviewers say it is nice but not a game-changer. It may help OCR, it may not; I'd just want comparisons before I based my phone-buyng decision on the OIS in the Plus. On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:03 AM, David Chittenden <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Actually, both the 6 and the 6+ have features which will help a fair amount for any OCR app. Both new iPhones have special pixels which set the pixels in the area for the lighting/contrast of that particular area. This means the contrast of the page image will improve, which should improve the image for OCR. Second, and more important, is the physical image stabilisation of the 6+ camera. Jitter, or the image blurring because of even slight movement whilst the picture is being taken, is a huge problem for blind people. In fact, the four biggest problems for blind people are distance, jitter, skewing, and tilting of the camera. Physical image stabilisation will automatically correct for the jitter problem if it is minor jitter. This is enough to make a null scan into a partial scan, and a close scan into a good scan. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:57, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: Hi Eileen, If you are going to get KNFB Reader you might as well get it, it is my guess that the optical image stabilization of the 6 Plus will not make a huge difference. KNFB Reader already has a lot of built in help to take the best picture possible and while the 6 and 6 Plus have a new sensor with slightly larger pixel size, it is still an 8 MP camera and much the same as on a 5S. From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:08 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions Hello Jonathan, Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand. Thanks so much for your first impressions. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: It is now available on the app store to download. Regards, Feliciano Like my Facebook page: <https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327> https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327 Follow me on Twitter: <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v Sent from the Super-iPhone On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: Jonathan, So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store? Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just holding the phone over the page or item? Thanks so much, this is very encouraging! Brian M From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected][ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf OfJonathan Mosen Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed. I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera positioning and angle. And, it's fast. 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The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.hi Jonathan, Well, I am hoping that something will help. I have so much troublehi Jonathan, I am so frustrated with using the cayenne if the reader on my iPhone S. It is a crapshoot if I can get a page aligned correctly. I have yet to be able to actually read an entire page when the phone is lined up straight. Hi Jonathan, I am so frustrated trying to use the K in FB reader. I never can line the camera up straight with the page. 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