Ok, more fiddling, and conclude that the dots don't line up along a long edge in desktop mode, the hands are naturally angled for both hands to be on the screen at all. So the dots are in their normal positions really and it is the angle of the hands that get third finger tapping near the back in the corner while first fingers are tapping near the centre of the long front edge, but the nearest edge at least, and for sure the opposite edge to the third fingers. Like I said, tip it face towards you first, before putting it down, it is working for me, who doesn't come to doing it desktop fashion, naturally.
In complete contrast, and despite being quite a fan of mBraille; I can't hack it on the iPad Mini yet. I've not put that on iOs8 yet, so no comment to that. Rh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Some Tips On Braille On-screen Input My main problem, aside from the frustrating bug where spaces don't always register, is Table Mode. No matter how I turn my phone, or how many times I go to Away Mode and then back to Table Mode, or how many times I calibrate, Table mode is backwards. Dots 1-3 are on the right hand, while dots 4-6 are on the left. In fact, calibrating in this mode makes it worse, as I usually end up with dot 1 *between* dots 2 and 3, instead of preceding them. Away mode works fine, it's only Table Mode that seems to hate me. :) On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote: > I don't think you can make that comparison with your 4s unless the new > braille input really is exactly mbraille. The only reason I question this > is that for some reason, though I know other people had great success and > I am glad for them, I never could at all master mbraille and yet I am > doing well with the built-in system. That's not a criticism of mbraille or > a defense of the built-in system; it just makes me question whether the > two systems are actually totally the same and can be reliably compared as > to the performance of mbraile on a 4s still running iOS7 and the built-in > system on a phone running iOS8. It seems to me that for me to have had > so much trouble with one and be doing well on the other, there must be > some difference between the two but i don't know what that difference > would be. What does seem obvious is that some people who do well on > mbraille are having trouble with the built-in system and at least one > person who could not manage mbraille is doing well with the built-in > system. > > -- > Cheryl > > I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. > I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper > thrown in the trash! > Then God gave me a new heart and life: > His joy for my despairing tears! > And now, every day: > "This I call to mind, > and therefore I have hope: > The steadfast love of the Lord > never ceases; > his mercies never come to an end; > they are new every morning; > great is your faithfulness." > (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) > > > > > On Sep 25, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Deb Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well I think I'm following all the instructions just fine. I haven't >> seen anything I didn't know. But when I'm in exploring mode, I get one >> pattern correctly named, change one figer and it gives me an entirely >> unrelated pattern even though some fingers have not moved at all. I >> get the same results in table top or landscape mde. I can confirm that >> with my 4S, which was not upgraded, I can still use MBraille just >> fine. So there may be something about my phone itself. >> >> On 9/25/14, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> Actually, the home button does not have to be on the left for tabletop >>> mode >>> though the default has the dots going 1 through 6 from left to right >>> with >>> the home button the left so that turning it with the home button on the >>> right would make them backwards. . You can go to away mode and then turn >>> the >>> phone around with the home button facing right and go back to tabletop >>> mode >>> and get dots 1 through 6 still going from left to right. The same is >>> true in >>> away mode; the home button does not have to be on the right. Everything >>> is >>> totally reversible and you can have the home button wherever you want it >>> at >>> any time. >>> >>> -- >>> Cheryl >>> >>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. >>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper >>> thrown in the trash! >>> Then God gave me a new heart and life: >>> His joy for my despairing tears! >>> And now, every day: >>> "This I call to mind, >>> and therefore I have hope: >>> The steadfast love of the Lord >>> never ceases; >>> his mercies never come to an end; >>> they are new every morning; >>> great is your faithfulness." >>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) >>> >>> On Sep 25, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, all, >>>> >>>> I've noticed some folks having difficulties with this and posting to >>>> other >>>> threads, so I thought I'd make a thread dedicated to it and post a few >>>> hints. >>>> >>>> Try the following for practice. Go into Notes or a new mail message. >>>> Turn >>>> to the Braille screen input item on the rotor. There are two ways to >>>> position the device for Braille. You can use "screen-away mode", which >>>> makes it possible to point the screen away from you in landscape mode >>>> with >>>> the home button to the right, or "tabletop mode", which lets you place >>>> the >>>> device on a flat surface with the home button to the left. In >>>> screen-away >>>> mode, the dots are arranged "accordion fashion" with dots 1-2-3 on the >>>> left short side and dots 4-5-6 on the right short side. In tabletop >>>> mode, >>>> the dots are arranged on the long side closest to you. When you begin >>>> practice, hold your hands pressed on the device until you hear "explore >>>> mode", and Voiceover will tell you which dots are pressed. You will >>>> exit >>>> explore mode when you lift a finger. With explore mode, it's a lot >>>> easier >>>> to have sounds on, because you'll hear some tones before you enter this >>>> mode. Space using a right-flick, backspace using a left-flick, new line >>>> with two-finger-right-flick, switch between contracted and six-dot >>>> uncontracted with a three-finger-right-flick. >>>> >>>> Chime in with other hints. I'm sure there are things I missed. :) >>>> >>>> HtH, >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and >>>> seeing >>>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>>> you >>>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>>> or >>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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