The issue is not whether they are concerned about accessibility, it's
obvious that they are. It goes much deeper, this really has nothing to
do with accessibility directly, it's a quality control issue. The
operating system simply was not tested enough before release. As far as
android, it's just as useable as IOS, but is definitely a different
platform, I like both platforms, but for different reasons. Is one
better than the other? I don't think so, they're just different.
Original message:
Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to
consider Android. As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way
off and Android has plenty of other problems that go beyond
accessibility. Good luck if you go that route. You are in for a lot
of fun ...
The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs. Should it have been
released to the public? No. Should more consideration have been taken
for accessibility? Without a doubt. People have to answer to this in
Apple and accessibility needs to hear about it. We all paid good money
for our iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and
standard for accessibility that this release has tarnished. If they
are looking for the "gold standard", this was not a step in that
direction for sure.
However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who
feels Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly
mistaken and talking out of their posteriors. That is the farthest
mindset inside the company, regardless of iOS 8. I have witnessed a
serious commitment to accessibility and an effort to make the company
inside aware of accessibility issues in all areas.
I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are
things I am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to
engage in speculation of that kind. That only leads to more rumors and
assumptions. I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OS X LION and OS X Mountain Lion
AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people
want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm
sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations
than our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating
system that has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are
going to be bugs but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S,
yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should
have never made it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but
should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I
have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and
Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a Droid, or used
Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least listen to the
other side, something I thought I would never do.
On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie <sooneran...@att.net> wrote:
My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing
problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce
who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't
have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's
calling. So go figure! LOL
Ann
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From: "Ron Pelletier" <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver
Sharonda,
Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its
making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is
really worth it. They seem to have completely abused the confidence of
their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is
complete crap. As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for
a while
Ron & Danvers
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Personally, I believe the subject should be changed. iOS is not complete
crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete
crap. That's just one person's opin ion.
Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes
On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for
example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.
On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
have supported it.
On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode <oyv...@lode.is> wrote:
First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver
Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
to toggle the voice on and off.
Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in
similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and
then back on as well.
I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to
making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated
the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if
we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then
when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many
people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit
where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle
Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be
content with.
On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the
iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO
to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out.
Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a
year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months.
Let's see what happens.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com> wrote:
I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as
for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification
comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button
and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is
already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks.
Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to
restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being
taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple.
I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total
crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community.
If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple
can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as it
is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and
VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at
least listening to what Droid is doin
g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since
the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this
release and the
35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the
answer.
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