,When in table top mode, the keys are at an angle. I am writing this message in table top mode. dot 3 is in the left back corner. Dot 6 is in the right back corner. Dot 1 is across the left front from the left edge of the screen to the midpoint. Dot 4 is from the right edge to the midpoint connecting with dot 1. Dots 2 and 5 go from the back adge of dots 1 and 4 to the sides, and on the back edge between dots 3 and 6. In other wordss, the front edge is dots 1 4 when tracking from left to right. The back edge is dots 3 2 5 6 from left to right. Across the middle of the screen from leht to right is dots 2 and 5.
The braille input works quite well once one gets used to it. I am brailling almost as fast on my iphone as I do on my braille dispaly keyboard. One final note: I am finding that right swiping for space must be a little more of a movement or it is registered as a dot press. I find space easier in away mode rather than tabletop mode. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Sep 2014, at 06:43, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: > > I've used the explore mode already, and it showed exactly what I already > knew: the dots are reversed. The dot closest to the lower edge of the phone > on the right is dot 4, as it should be, and immediately next to that is… dot > 2. Just above and to the right of dot 4 is dot 5, right where I'd expect it > to be. Above and just left of the (misplaced) dot 2 is… dot 1. Dot 3 is > across from dot 6, just where it should be. I am comfortable with the shape > of the keyboard, but the fact remains that dots 1 and 2 are swapped somehow. > I used to see this if I calibrated in Tabletop mode, but now I see it all the > time in that mode, whether or not I calibrate. >> On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, RobH. <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> First off, this is such good advice, I went to try it, even though I don't >> have the problem. I still think it's clever how they arranged this, and >> also see how it gets confusing. >> >> So, I'm going to repeat something I said, and paraphrased someone who put >> it more verbosely, though still concise and right. >> >> Tip the face of the phone towards you first, then put it down into table >> mode, and the dots are then in the right order. >> >> It's a pity we couldn't get a sighted description of the shape of the >> buttons at this point, the 6 areas cover pretty well the entire screen >> except for a gutter between, to separate them. >> This "V" layout business is necessary to get so many fingers on a phone >> screen at once, so pretty sure they don't all line up along a long edge, >> though that would be good on an iPad, along a short edge even. >> >> If you don't try too hard to twist the wrists to line up the hands with the >> phone, they will fall into the V shape and line up with the buttons quite >> naturally. I suppose the effort is trying not to think of the V shape, but >> just fingers on dot keys; and just do it. Those with the greatest success, >> have done just that. >> >> RobH. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Woody Anna Dresner" <wadres...@att.net> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:41 PM >> Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode? >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Tabletop mode requires your fingers to be in kind of a V shape, so try >> positioning them that way. Also, you can hold one finger on the screen to >> start an exploring mode. It will stay in this mode as long as you leave at >> least one finger on screen. Try that so you can find the dots. My guess is >> that they aren't really reversed, but they seem to be because the dots >> aren't quite where you expect them to be. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I asked this in the midst of another thread, but I figured it got buried. >>> That, or I'm just the lucky guy this happens to, and no one else has the >>> problem. >>> >>> In tabletop mode in iOS8'd braille screen input, dots 1 and 2 seem to >>> always be reversed. My index finger falls on dot 2, my middle on dot 1, >>> and the rest of the cell is normal. Has anyone else seen this? It happens >>> whether or not I calibrate, and I can't think of what else to try. I've >>> even restarted VoiceOver and the phone, but that changed nothing. Any >>> thoughts? Again, this is tabletop mode; away mode is working fine, >>> thankfully. >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex Hall >>> mehg...@icloud.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the viphone >>> list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you >>> have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you >>> feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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