Wouldn't that be sort of like the configuration on a Braille Note, the dots 3 and 6 are slanted as are 3 and 6 which seems odd in a way but I have pretty good speed on one when needed. Sort of like those split keyboards from Microsoft? I have not tried this as of yet, stormy here and other things I had to do instead of play with my new phone.
I am just guessing here, I know the first hour I spent with the Braille Note I felt strange with that configuration but now it is fine, anything beats a slate and stylus. BTW the read I read it, if you are in away mood home should be to the right, if in table top home should be on the left, could this by who people are getting different results? Again, not been there yet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Homiak Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode? That flattened v shape description never really made sense to me even though I know what a V shape is. maybe that's why this is working for me where Mbraille didn't; I never bothered to try to picture any kind of V when I started with the built-in input where I struggled to do that with mbraille. I'm not at all saying that's not accurate, just that it never worked for me. If there's a curve instead of being a straight line, it's not enough for me to feel that it is slanted and it does feel like a Perkins to me. But I imagine that a lot of this depends on your finger length, hand size and how you place your fingers. I have no explanation for your dot reversal; I might have briefly seen this in explore mode if I tried to move the finger I was holding down but otherwise I haven't seen this and I sincerely hope I never do. I hope you solve it or, if it is a bug, that it will be fixed soon. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: If you imagine the flattened V shape, there are still two lines, not columns yet not in a single horizontal line either. The dots don't go straight across like a Perkins broiler, they slant up slightly. In my mind, that puts the left three dots across from the right three. The order I see, from left to right, is: 3 1 2 4 5 6 On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote: I think you are misunderstanding tabletop mode perhaps. Dot5 shouldn't be above dot4 in tabletop mode but to the right of it. Dots 3 and 6 should be at opposite ends of the long edge. This doesn't sound like your description at all to me. In the right order they should be: 3 2 1 4 5 6 going from left to right along the bottom edge except I don't think there's only one exact place/button for each dot. Some of this depends on calibration, which I really haven't seemed to need and I think there is some leeway for where you put your fingers unlike the virtual keyboard where your fingers must always be placed in an exact place. In tabletop mode, I don't understand your description of dots 3 and 6 being across from each other because in tabletop mode we are not looking at two columns along the short sides facing each other bugt at a row going along the long side. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness." (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: I've used the explore mode already, and it showed exactly what I already knew: the dots are reversed. The dot closest to the lower edge of the phone on the right is dot 4, as it should be, and immediately next to that is. dot 2. Just above and to the right of dot 4 is dot 5, right where I'd expect it to be. Above and just left of the (misplaced) dot 2 is. dot 1. Dot 3 is across from dot 6, just where it should be. I am comfortable with the shape of the keyboard, but the fact remains that dots 1 and 2 are swapped somehow. I used to see this if I calibrated in Tabletop mode, but now I see it all the time in that mode, whether or not I calibrate. On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:37 PM, RobH. <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote: First off, this is such good advice, I went to try it, even though I don't have the problem. I still think it's clever how they arranged this, and also see how it gets confusing. So, I'm going to repeat something I said, and paraphrased someone who put it more verbosely, though still concise and right. Tip the face of the phone towards you first, then put it down into table mode, and the dots are then in the right order. It's a pity we couldn't get a sighted description of the shape of the buttons at this point, the 6 areas cover pretty well the entire screen except for a gutter between, to separate them. This "V" layout business is necessary to get so many fingers on a phone screen at once, so pretty sure they don't all line up along a long edge, though that would be good on an iPad, along a short edge even. If you don't try too hard to twist the wrists to line up the hands with the phone, they will fall into the V shape and line up with the buttons quite naturally. I suppose the effort is trying not to think of the V shape, but just fingers on dot keys; and just do it. Those with the greatest success, have done just that. RobH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woody Anna Dresner" <wadres...@att.net> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Dots 1 and 2 reversed in Tabletop Mode? Hi, Tabletop mode requires your fingers to be in kind of a V shape, so try positioning them that way. Also, you can hold one finger on the screen to start an exploring mode. It will stay in this mode as long as you leave at least one finger on screen. Try that so you can find the dots. My guess is that they aren't really reversed, but they seem to be because the dots aren't quite where you expect them to be. Best, Anna On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote: Hi all, I asked this in the midst of another thread, but I figured it got buried. That, or I'm just the lucky guy this happens to, and no one else has the problem. In tabletop mode in iOS8'd braille screen input, dots 1 and 2 seem to always be reversed. 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