Good morning Pablo, My iPhone is totally improving my quality of life and my efficiency in running my business. I think I am speaking for many if I say that the iPhone has revolutionized the way we can interact with information on a mobil platform. What Apple has done by putting such a level of accessibility into an off-the-shelf mass market device might just be the most important thing that has happened to how blind people use technology ever. Maybe now an Android phone might give good accessibility, but it sure didn't when I bought my first iPhone 4 years ago and as somebody who has sensitive data on my phone relating to my business the iPhone is in my opinion superior because of the security it offers.
As far as improving Apple products or iOS 8 in particular, not using it and not providing feedback to Apple regarding the bugs will do even less. If all blind people thought like you and nobody had downloaded iOS 8 and reported back to Apple how would they fix the issues? Eventually we all have to upgrade because our old devices will be no longer supported. Sure, I could probably use my iPhone 5S with iOS 7.1.2 for another 3 or 4 years, but at that point I probably start running into problems because app developers are no longer supporting such an old version of iOS and so on. Then I have 2 options: either upgrade to the latest iOS version which if no blind people used it and provided bug reports to Apple would probably have even more bugs as you predict or I could switch to another platform which maybe is better and maybe it's not. I think if you are so set on not giving Apple anything you should sell your iPhone and move to Android. One good thing is that you may not have to complain avout upgrading because you might not be able to upgrade given the fragmentation of devices and the fact they often either can't run newer versions of Android or the carriers don't offer them. I know we won't see eye to eye on this, but that's of course OK as we all are entitled to our opinions. I totally agree that iOS 8 especially for Voiceover users is full of bugs and that it has more bugs than other iOS releases. But the difference between you and me is that I always try to see the good things first both in people and products. You focus on the bad aspects of a product first and for you these negative aspects overshadow the good aspects. Like I said, everybody is entitled to their opinions and to look at the world and the people around us any which way they like, but I prefer the positive approach and believe in trying to make a difference if I can. I believe Apple still has a commitment to accessibility and that there are probably reasons why they couldn't fix these bugs when iOS 8 was released. The new iOS goes with new devices and there is probably so much more involved in such a release than we'll ever know and it's unlikely they can simply push it back by a month or 2. OK, that's my last post regarding this topic so, Pablo, as I said before, continue with iOS 7.1.2 and decide for yourself when you feel it's safe to upgrade or maybe skip iOS 8 altogether and see what people say about iOS 9. If you are so convinced that accessibility in iOS will continue to get worse than I would totally encourage you to buy an Android phone and see if Google listens better when you tell them about the bugs in their OS which I have no doubt exist. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix their bugs? Be patience with apple? They are patience with the customers? Are you paying them little bit by little bit, or you have to pay everything on one time, or you have to sign a contract for 2 or 3 years with who ever sales iPhones? Why we have to be patience?? No, of course no. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Correct, and I believe it was something like 9 people who actually reported their iPhone bent out of several millions which were sold. I bent my iPhone 5S a few months ago but it was my own fault and if you were to really look at what happened with those iPhone 6 Plus units that did bent you would probably find that it also was the user's fault. Don't forget that the media is totally out to slam Apple wherever they can so everything even if it really is not a problem gets blown out of proportion. Apparently you are one of those who believe everything they read online... bad idea, Pablo, you can read anything online even many reports of people who love iOS 8 *smile*. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Did you also read the Consumer Reports follow-up report where they purchased an iPhone 6+ and tested it against sevcral other phones of the same size? Well, the iPhone withstood 20 pounds more pressure before starting to bend compared with it's closest competitor. In other words, the story about Apple being so bad did not hold up. When you switch to Android or WINDOWS phone, please let me know how much better the new phone choice works out for you. Which ever phone you decide to go with, I hope it works out for you. As for me, I remain an Apple fanboy for now. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: [email protected] Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Sep 2014, at 09:22, Pablo Morales <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well my friend. I can tell you. You are right. Apple in the last 2 > years has > been doing very very bad. They are abusing of their reputation. They > are believing that they are enough, and they are not paying so much > attention to > the quality of their products. As I said before. My iPhone 5s, is the > last iPhone that I would be buy. Until apple start to be more humble, > and more focus in the quality of Ios, and iPhones also. By the way, > today I read something online, saying that are people making complain > to apple, because their iPhone 6+ bends if they put the iPhone in the > pockets. Apple respond that their phones are created with a very high > quality of glass, and titanium, but any way, are people who reported > their iPhones 6+, bended. > So sad. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: issues I have with the new update. > > Hello folks. I usually don't post on > here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company > that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am > extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a > person dials a > number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if > this is > fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. > Now my > key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can > navigate on > the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the > issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple > store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the > technicians at the store. > I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also > what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the > cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on > they will > lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might > email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things > like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad > day that would be. What do you all think? > -- > Kevin Wassmer > [email protected] > 801-879-2991 > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. > All new members to the this list are moderated by default. 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