Christopher, you are exactly right with respect to Apple's history and accessibility. Unfortunately, Google, which made a big lot of noise about their commitment to accessibility, you still rather far behind the eight ball when it comes to that. Just look at what they've done with lollipop. Probably worse than the iOS eight bugs, at least for the users of google's own flagship Nexus devices. They have taken forever to do anything about web views. And that has made browsing the web on an android device horrendous, unless you could manage to make Firefox work for you. Firefox did their own thing with respect to accessibility. They didn't wait for Google to fix their problems.compared to the horrible nonsense that has been web views on android for the past several years, even the really bad iOS eight web experience is better. I would love to see Andrew I get better. I like competition. I own a Nexus seven. At this point, there is no way in the world I would trade my iPhone for an android device. Nor would I get rid of my iPad in favor of the Nexus. Mary
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm pretty sure the Apple II was accessible because a few 3rd party > applications were developed for the Apple II making it accessible. I don't > think it was accessible out of the box. I know you needed the Outspoken > screen reader from Berkley Systems to make the early Macs accessible, and > there was a time between the demise of Berkley Systems and Apple's > development of VoiceOver when the Macs weren't accessible at all. Of course, > the early iPods and the first iPhones weren't accessible. I'm not taking > anything away from Apple and it's commitment to accessibility, but I don't > think it goes back to the founding of the company. If anything it's > commitment to accessibility after already having established and successful > products out there is even more impressive. > > Android does take some getting used to, but so does the iPhone. I'm not going > to say that Android accessibility is on par with the iPhone, but the Samsung > Galaxy S5 does a pretty good job. I don't think I'm in danger of giving up my > iPhone any time soon, but I do think these lingering IOS bugs do close the > gap a bit. I mean if Android had the same bugs I'm seeing in IOS 8 then > iPhone user's would be holding them up as reasons why iPhone accessibility is > better. > > >> On 11/20/2014 03:29 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey wrote: >> I have never found that the Droid system has been easy to use from >> playing with my brother's phone. In fact, I have found it to be clumbsy >> and awkward to navigate. Having stated that, I've not really learned how >> to use it either and am just starting to do some homework on it now. I >> am hoping that things improve before the time comes for me to decide. I >> think the problem here is that Apple had raised the bar so high that we >> are all upset and disappointed when things fall apart, as we should be. >> And yes, I still think Steve J is a huge loss and even if the system was >> not good to start with, it became far superior to anything out there on >> his watch. In fact, my very first computer that I could use with good >> functionality way back in the early 80's was the Apple IIe or IIc, can't >> remember which. That was before MS really had much out there that was >> accessible and if IBM did, it was very costly. So I think the apple >> founders truly did have accessibility as a priority from the start. I do >> think that one person can make a big difference in what a company does, >> its policies and its priorities, especially if the person happen to be >> in Mr. J's position. That's my take on the Steve J issue, a huge loss >> and too young. This new person in charge needs to step up to the plate, >> fix what is broken and quit tinkering with that stupid watch. >> >> Mary Anne >> >> >>> On 11/19/2014 9:49 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >>> Well, Google obviously never releases extremely bug-ridden software >>> like Apple does, right? (see the below message). >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From:* MacDailyNews <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> *Date:* 20 November 2014 14:59:33 NZDT >>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* *[New post] ‘Shockingly bad’ Google Android 5.0 Lollipop >>>> update bricks phones, tablets; kills apps* >>>> *Reply-To:* "MacDailyNews" >>>> <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> >>>> WordPress.com >>>> MacDailyNews posted: "[cfsp key="adsense_336x280"]"Early adopters of >>>> Google's latest Android operating system are warning others of >>>> problems with the software," Leo Kelion reports for The Beeb. 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"Issues include the >>>> update causing Nexus 7 tablets to run slowly and repeatedly crash, >>>> with several users complaining they had become 'unusable.'" >>>> >>>> *MacDailyNews Take: *Even more so than usual, apparently. >>>> >>>> "The code also appears to remove apps built with Adobe Air and then >>>> prevent them from being reinstalled," Kelion reports. "Dozens of >>>> messages posted to Google's own forums suggest that owners of the >>>> 2012 version of the Nexus 7, in particular, are experiencing >>>> headaches. 'Some apps won't work and some crash. I wish I didn't >>>> install the update,' wrote Kristen Sawyer. Another user, nicknamed >>>> StretchToo said: 'Chrome is dead, unusable, Firefox just about works, >>>> the keyboard takes over a minute to load, nearly works if you hunt >>>> and peck but dies if you try to swipe.'" >>>> >>>> "'Updated and the Nexus is [so] shockingly bad it is basically >>>> unusable, lags just rotating the screen, every task takes 10 seconds >>>> to perform if it does it [at all],' wrote Gary Looker," Kelion >>>> reports. "Several Android Lollipop users have also highlighted >>>> compatibility problems with Air-based apps... Reports elsewhere >>>> suggest some users are experiencing problems with text messages, the >>>> way contacts are managed, and wi-fi connectivity." >>>> >>>> *Read more in the full article here >>>> <http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30116319>.* >>>> >>>> *MacDailyNews Take: *It's well past time to stop settling for >>>> inferior wares and get the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, iPad Air 2, and/or >>>> iPad mini that you really wanted but stupidly tried to >>>> approximate, fragmandroid settlers. >>>> >>>> Pry open thou eyes, casteth aside thine darkness and >>>> cometh-hither into the light! >>>> >>>> [Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader "buddabob" for the heads up.] >>>> >>>> *Related articles:* >>>> Apple posts new how-to guide: Switching from Android phone to iPhone >>>> <http://macdailynews.com/2014/09/16/apple-posts-new-how-to-guide-switching-from-android-phone-to-iphone/> >>>> - September 16, 2014 >>>> Reviewers fall all over themselves to praise Apple’s 64-bit iPhone >>>> 6/Plus >>>> <http://macdailynews.com/2014/09/17/reviewers-fall-all-over-themselves-to-praise-apples-64-bit-iphone-6plus/> >>>> - 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