DRC,

On 21/09/2013, at 12:19 AM, DRC <dcomman...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I guess my burning question is: is Apple still going to ship a downloadable 
> JRE at all ?

I'm pretty sure that Apple have no interest in supporting Java 7 -
they donated their code to OpenJDK, announced that Java would be
"deprecated" on Mac OS X, and waited for Oracle to announce that they
would provide Java 7 for Mac OS X.  But I think Oracle's JRE for Mac
OS X is designed to be used by web browsers.  I don't know if an app
bundled with the old JarBundler method will necessarily find the JRE
installed from Oracle.

> From a technical point of view, it would be great if someone could help me 
> come up with a command-line procedure for bundling the JRE that doesn't 
> require ant. :|

I tried doing this briefly without success, but I didn't put a lot of
time and effort into it.

> From a licensing point of view, are there any potential snafus there?

Yes I think so.  If you want to include an Oracle-built JRE, then I
think you're supposed to display the Oracle binary code agreement.
The OpenJDK source which Oracle uses is available publicly, so maybe
it is legitimate to still license your application as GPL, but some
people (who probably know more about it than me) are of the view that
you need to build your JRE from source if you want to license your app
as GPL, or as GPL with the classpath exception or similar.

> Is the JRE such that it requires including the source along with it?

I don't think there is any such requirement from the JRE, but which
source are you talking about?  The .java source files which can be
used to reconstruct the JARs or the C/C++ source which can be used to
build the JRE itself?

> Any sense of the disk footprint? This is also of potential interest for 
> Windows and Linux.

Whilst the words "App Store" might make a GPL developer cringe, it
might be of interest to look at blog posts from Java developers
targeting the App Store, such as:

http://intransitione.com/blog/take-java-to-app-store/

The "Moneydance" application referred to in this article appears to be
50.7 MB in the App Store, but I haven't purchased it.  I would guess
that the majority of that disk footprint is the JRE.

Cheers,
James

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