On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:49:53PM +0000, Sudip Mukherjee wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:56:34AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:30:30PM +0000, Sudip Mukherjee wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:32:38PM +0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 11:22:17AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 08:52:19PM +0000, Sudip Mukherjee wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:27:59AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 06:53:31PM +0100, Michał Mirosław wrote:
> > > > > > > > Almost all drivers using remove_conflicting_framebuffers() wrap 
> > > > > > > > it with
> > > > > > > > the same code. Extract common part from PCI drivers into 
> > > > > > > > separate
> > > > > > > > remove_conflicting_pci_framebuffers().
> > > > > > > > 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Greg?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, if no one is working to get it out of staging, that means no one
> > > > cares about it, and it needs to be removed from the tree.
> > > 
> > > Agreed. I was not working on getting it out of staging as there is no
> > > place for it to go.
> > > But, Teddy Wang told me that they have a working drm driver for it, but
> > > it is not atomic like Daniel was asking for. If it is ok, then I can send
> > > in a patch to remove the existing sm750 from staging and add the new sm750
> > > drm driver to staging. And after it is ready, we can go ahead with moving
> > > it out of staging to drm.
> > 
> > Please keep the todo item that it needs to be converted to atomic. And
> > tbh, it's probably faster if you just submit it to dri-devel, assuming you
> > have time to work on it. For small drivers we tend to be fairly quick in
> > getting them into good enough shape.
> 
> I have received the driver from Teddy and pushed it to
> https://github.com/sudipm-mukherjee/parport/tree/drm_smi for your first
> look into it. It is not even building with next-20171130 and has lots of
> build warnings. I will have to do a lot of work on it before I can even
> submit it to dri-devel.
> 
> Time will be the problem, as this is not part of my day job.
> 
> > 
> > Staging is also a major pain for drm subsystem refactorings, I really,
> > really, really prefer we don't add more than the vbox pain we have
> > already.
> 
> I am hoping that after seeing it, you will agree to have it in staging. :)

So I know Greg is willing to take anything into staging, but I'm no fan.
We refactor and improve drm a lot, with a lot of cross-driver changes
necessary to move things forward. We can do that since we have a generally
rather active development community, and we try hard to keep most drivers
in reasonable good shape and so easy to maintain.

If you know throw a pile of unmaintainable stuff into staging, but without
working on it, then that's just cost, no benefit to the dri-devel
community. On top, staging tree is separate from drm trees, so more pain
to synchronize trees (and we have to do that a few times per release cycle
or drivers simply stop compiling). Where's the upside of taking this
driver into staging?

One is users, but ime for soc display drivers usually everything else is
in worse shape (e.g. even great drivers like the one for qualcom must be
tested on some vendor tree because critical core bits are missing in
upstream), so "more users" is not the good reason. And it's clearly not
"more developers", because no time to clean things up. So what exactly is
the good reason to put this into staging instead of just waiting until
someone has the time to clean it up quickly?

Thanks, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
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