On 7/10/17 11:15, Alia Atlas wrote: > Hi Warren, > > Thanks for reading it and for the nits. I'll handle those in the next > version. > Any comments on the substance?
Definitionaly the IETF meeting is a plenary, most of the meetings at it are not (appart from the plenary(s)) we meet together, but not in plenary generally. The distinction is probably relevant, since it implies a higher level of coordination (meeting in plenary) between essentially unrelated activities then is otherwise the case. joel > Regards, > Alia > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Warren Kumari <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Alia Atlas <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Here is a draft suggesting how to connect in the various > > geographically-focused activities into the IETF with light oversight and > > considering how various IETF policies should apply. > > > > I hope that it will spur conversation so we can determine the right way > > forward. > > Hi there, > > I have a bunch of nits and similar for this document. As always with > nits, feel free to incorporate, ignore, spindle , mutilate or fold... > > > 1. Introduction > > The IETF primarily focuses our activities on plenary meetings, > mailing lists, and individual Working Group interim meetings with > Internet Drafts, RFCs, and some structured text or code as > deliverables. There has been and continues to be interest in having > > [O] There has been and continues to be > [P] There has been, and continues to be, > [R] grammar > > ... > > Some of the motivations and objectives include: 1. increasing > awareness of the IETF's role in the Internet ecosystem, 2. > providing... > > [P] I suggest format this list as a list to make it more readable (or, > xml2rfc fail?) . Also, should either start all list items with a > capital letter, or none of them. > > > These objectives can be summed up as increasing awareness of the > IETF, doing outreach to encourage new IETF participation, and > increase technical discussions and cross-learning to encourage faster > and better technical output. These are objectives that are in the > best interest of the IETF. > > [P] I don't now why we have that last sentence in the above paragraph. > Seems slightly defensive... > > The IETF works well when organization happens from motivated people > who self-organize and the IETF can provide support and light > oversight. The IETF has an Education, Mentoring, and Outreach > > [O] The IETF works well when organization happens from motivated > people who self-organize and the IETF can provide support and light > oversight. > [P] The IETF works best when motivated people self-organize, and the > IETF provides support and light oversight. > [R] readability > > > > 2. Terminology > > Geographically-Focused IETF Activities An IETF Activity that is > > [O] Geographically-Focused IETF Activities > [P] Geographically Focused IETF Activities: > [R] consistency with other sections below, and grammar > > ... > > The focus is on growing a local group of people participating in the > IETF and strengthening the professional and social relationships > between them to encourage > [O] between them > [P] amongst them > [R] grammar > > collaboration. > > Remote Awareness Hub An event where video from one or more IETF > [O] Remote Awareness Hub > [P] Remote Awareness Hub: > [R] consistency > > ... > > IETF Awareness Activity An activity where "what the IETF is and > > [O] IETF Awareness Activity > [P] IETF Awareness Activity: > [R] grammar > > > ... > > Remote Participation Hub An activity that is connected to an IETF > > [O] Remote Participation Hub > [P] Remote Participation Hub: > [R] consistency (... and same for rest of list) > > > 3.3. One-Time Activities > > Some Geographically-Focused IETF Activities may be one-time activity. > > [O] may be one-time activity. > [P] may be one-time activities. > [R] grammar > > A Geographically- > Focused IETF Activity in a particular geography that do not have a > > [O] that do not have > [P] that does not have > [R] grammar > > Coordinator identified fall under the One-Time Activity Coordinators, > > [O] fall under > [P] falls under > [R] grammar > > even if that activity has or is repeating. There may be a period > where it isn't clear that specific Coordinators for the activity > should be appointed; for instance, it may not be obvious for a year > or more that the activity will continue to repeat. > > The One-Time Activity Coordinators MUST appoint a Local Coordinator > for any activity that the none of the One-Time Activity Coordinators > > [O] that the none > [P] that none > [R] grammar > > will be attending and running. > > 3.4. Appointment, Term of Service, and Transitions for Coordinators > > In general, a Coordinator should be familiar with the IETF and > preferably be or have been an active participant. For a new Local > Community or a Repeating Activity, it is likely that there are good > candidates for Coordinators. If not, that may be a sign that the > health of the activity is in question and more support is needed > before appointing Coordinators. > > It is not appropriate to assume that a Coordinator will serve for an > indefinite amount of time. The Directorate should check in with both > > [O] both > [P] > [R] there should be between 2 and 5 coordinators, so using the plural > and deleting "both" will cover that. > > the Coordinators and with the associated mailing lists or activities > to see how the activity is going and if the Coordinators are > interested in continuing to do a good job. The Directorate - and in > > [O] interested in continuing to do a good job. > [R] Um. It seems odd to ask if they want to continue doing a "good > job." -- do we want to delete "good"? > > > 3.5. Support for Coordinators > > The Directorate SHOULD provide support for Coordinators. This should > include the ability for Coordinators to learn from each others' > > [O] each others' > [P] each other's > [R] grammar > > 4.1. Keeping Attendance Records (Bluesheets) > > In the IETF, there are three motivations for keeping track of whom > attends a session. First, there are logistics and tracking the > health of the associated group; for instance, what size meeting room > is physically required? Second, there is documenting whom is > > [O] documenting whom is > [P] documenting who is > [R] grammar > > influencing the standards process by participating in the session. > Third, there is documenting whom is in the room for legal issues > > [O] documenting whom is in the > [P] documenting who is in the > [R] grammar > > > 5. Use of IETF Resources > ... > > A shared on-line calendar that at least Coordinators can add events > > [O] A shared on-line calendar that at least Coordinators can add events > [P] A shared online calendar that Coordinators, at a minimum, can > add events > [R] readability/grammar > > to is needed. This will provide a single place to check when and > where various activities are happening. Given that many IETFers > travel for business, it also makes it easy for IETFers to discover if > there is a local activity happening that is of interest. > > 6. Social Media and Communications > > Most of IETF communications activities are coordinated and > accomplished by ISOC staff. For Social media, industry media and > other communication needs the Coordinator should contact > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> for an appropriate > messaging. Through ISOC's support, > > [O] for an appropriate messaging > [R] I don't know what this means. > > the activity will be better promoted and aligned with IETF > expectations. There is an ongoing revision of IASA activities that > > [O] IASA -- first (actually, only!) use of IASA, please expand. > > > > > W > > > > > > Regards, > > Alia > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 1:35 PM > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00.txt > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > > > > Title : Geographically-Focused IETF Activities > > Authors : Alia Atlas > > Christian O'Flaherty > > Harish Chowdhary > > Filename : draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00.txt > > Pages : 14 > > Date : 2017-07-04 > > > > Abstract: > > The document defines how Geographically-Focused IETF Activities are > > organized and how IETF policies apply. It is intended for eventual > > publication as a BCP but this is currently an initial strawman > > proposal based upon the existing variety of experience with the > > experimental activities in this space over the past several years. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities/ > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities/> > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00 > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00> > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00 > > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00> > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > <ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce> > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > <http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html> > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > <ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html > <http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html>. > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet > <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet> > > > > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NOTE WELL: This list operates according to > http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet >
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