You could, but I wouldn't want to admit it in public.

"Christmas is a funny season.  What other time of the year do you sit in front 
of a dead tree and eat candy out of your socks?"
Gordon Wolfe, Ph.D. (425)865-5940
VM Technical Services, The Boeing Company

> ----------
> From:         Schuh, Richard
> Reply To:     VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions
> Sent:         Thursday, December 8, 2005 10:08 AM
> To:   [email protected]
> Subject:      Re: 2nd-Level VM Install Question - Side question
> 
> Can't you accomplish the same thing by (ugh) creating TSAF virtual machines 
> in the 1st and 2nd level systems and connecting them via VCTCA?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shimon 
> Lebowitz
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:12 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: 2nd-Level VM Install Question - Side question
> 
> I was going to write what Gordon said, but he beat me to it. :-)
> 
> One point to add - 
> I did not use to have real CTCs that connected an LPAR 
> to *itself* (until I did my big multi-lpar CTC study about 
> a year ago), but I *did* have 2 VM nodes in different LPARs.
> 
> By attaching one local end of the CTC to the virtual machine 
> hosting the second-level VM (in System-B), I basically created 
> a linear network like this:
> 
> Node B ------- Node A---------Node X
> (1st level)    (1st level)    (2nd level)
> 
> Node X accessed my 1st level SFS (in Node B) 
> via Node A, with no problems whatsoever.
> It felt a bit funny sending data on a two-way 
> round trip to Node A, just to get it into the 
> 2nd-level VM, but it was still as fast as ever. :-)
> 
> Note that the ACTIVATE ISLINK commands were done in 
> nodes X and A, nothing at all was done in B. If you
> already have such a CTC, the whole setup is about 
> a minute! (One ATTACH to give a CTC address to the
> 2nd level host machine, and two ACTIVATE commands).
> 
> Shimon
> 
> 
> Quoting "Wolfe, Gordon W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
>  
> > A great way to do this that takes a little setup is to do the following: 
> >  
> > Set up a real channel-to-channel on your system with two addresses that 
> > talk 
> > to each other on the same LPAR.   A virtual channel-to-channel will not 
> > work 
> > with a first-level system.  
> >  
> > DEDICATE or ATTACH one end of the CTC to your second-level system. 
> >  
> > Start up an ISFC connection between first and second level over the CTC.  
> > This requires only two CP commands, One command on each system. 
> >  
> > Set up the first  level shared file pool server as a remote filepool. 
> >  
> > Then you can trade files back and forth using this filepool. 
> >  
> > I've been doing this for years and it works great! 
> >  
> 

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