LCR or no LCR, using a termination vendor that is different to one’s 
origination vendor for a given CID is more normal than not in VoIP. I would 
guess it’s the default wholesale use-case. Origination and termination are very 
different business models with radically different economics.

I’m not clear on what the official STIR/SHAKEN solution to this is. I assume 
it’s delegated certificates as Jared suggested.

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> On Sep 2, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Carlos Alvarez <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> If I understand correctly, no as long as your providers are all supporting 
> this.  What I think you mean is that you get origination/DIDs from say 
> Bandwidth, and you use LCR to route calls to whoever is cheapest?  There are 
> ways to work with that challenge as long as your carriers are ready to do so.
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jared Geiger <[email protected]> wrote:
>> If we purchase our numbers through wholesalers, would we need delegated 
>> certificates if we are sending an outbound call through a vendor that is not 
>> the wholesaler we got the number from?
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 7:22 AM Dave Frigen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> There is a STIR-SHAKEN process of registering and testing with the Policy
>>> Administrator (PA) as a certified Service Provider (SP) before you can
>>> purchase SHAKEN token certificates from a Certificate Authority (CA) and
>>> begin to engage in using the technology. This is not a walk in the park.
>>> Transnexus is one of two public CA's in the U.S. today. They are experts on
>>> the subject and can help you through both processes. In order to get the
>>> best call attestation you must prove to the PA and CA that you are a bono
>>> fide service provider and not a bad-acting enterprise on a network that
>>> deserves lesser attestation levels. 
>>> 
>>> One of the registration requirements is a SP 's access to valid national
>>> phone number pools. This has been very confusing for some resale providers
>>> that purchase and use numbers from wholesalers only. If your organization
>>> does not have it's own numbering resources, you can register using your
>>> wholesale provider's numbering pool data. Don't assume you have to register
>>> with the FCC and possess your own pool of numbers to become a registered
>>> SHAKEN SP.
>>> 
>>> SHAKEN ROBO call mitigation is a new frontier, and obtaining the best
>>> attestation level possible for a SP is essential to the SP and the SHAKEN
>>> ecosystem. Register and test for the best attestation level possible.
>>> Transnexus is a seasoned expert on the subject and a U.S. registered CA with
>>> the PA. 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: VoiceOps <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Carey
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 5:36 PM
>>> To: Dovid Bender <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: Voiceops.org <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Outsourcing STIR/SHAKEN Setup
>>> 
>>> I'm a Carrier Consultant who's been helping CLEC, IXC, Paging, Wireless and
>>> VOIP carriers install and maintain their PSTN networks for the the last 20
>>> years. I can help clients get their FCC Certification to become a
>>> STIR/SHAKEN carrier as well as Numbering Resources, NPAC / LSR training, etc
>>> (if you need those pieces). Once my clients get their certification, I refer
>>> them to TransNexus. Jim and his team can help you with the process of
>>> turning your STIR/SHAKEN services up.
>>> 
>>> MARY LOU CAREY
>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting
>>> Office: 615-791-9969
>>> Cell: 615-796-1111
>>> 
>>> On 2020-08-31 05:37 AM, Dovid Bender wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > 
>>> > Does anyone have a recommendation for a company that get us everything 
>>> > needed for STIR/SHAKEN setup? By setup I mean helping us file to get a 
>>> > cert etc. From the small research I have done there is a lot of 
>>> > fragmented information out there and it would be easier for us to pay 
>>> > someone else to do this then invest our own time to take care of this.
>>> > 
>>> > TIA.
>>> > 
>>> > Regards,
>>> > 
>>> > Dovid
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