Thank you, that’s really helpful info. — Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors.
> On Sep 2, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark Lindsey <lind...@e-c-group.com> wrote: > > The official SHAKEN/STIR answer, anticipated by the FCC rules, ignores > how/where you're buying origination services. Unless an lawyer tells me > otherwise, the FCC says each "Voice Service Provider" must implement the > SHAKEN framework on all its SIP network, and so you (as the Voice Service > Provider) have to verify the callers' rights to use those telephone numbers > for outbound calls before you add the A-Level Attestation. You use your own > certificate to sign your own calls. > > It's not clear that it's legal under the TRACED Act to merely depend on your > downstream providers to implement SHAKEN so you don't have to. > > Mark R Lindsey, SMTS | +1-229-316-0013 | m...@ecg.co | https://ecg.co/lindsey/ > > > > >> On Sep 2, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Alex Balashov <abalas...@evaristesys.com> wrote: >> >> LCR or no LCR, using a termination vendor that is different to one’s >> origination vendor for a given CID is more normal than not in VoIP. I would >> guess it’s the default wholesale use-case. Origination and termination are >> very different business models with radically different economics. >> >> I’m not clear on what the official STIR/SHAKEN solution to this is. I assume >> it’s delegated certificates as Jared suggested. >> >> — >> Sent from mobile, with due apologies for brevity and errors. >> >>>> On Sep 2, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Carlos Alvarez <caalva...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> If I understand correctly, no as long as your providers are all supporting >>> this. What I think you mean is that you get origination/DIDs from say >>> Bandwidth, and you use LCR to route calls to whoever is cheapest? There >>> are ways to work with that challenge as long as your carriers are ready to >>> do so. >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Jared Geiger <ja...@compuwizz.net> wrote: >>>> If we purchase our numbers through wholesalers, would we need delegated >>>> certificates if we are sending an outbound call through a vendor that is >>>> not the wholesaler we got the number from? >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 7:22 AM Dave Frigen <dfri...@wabash.net> wrote: >>>>> There is a STIR-SHAKEN process of registering and testing with the Policy >>>>> Administrator (PA) as a certified Service Provider (SP) before you can >>>>> purchase SHAKEN token certificates from a Certificate Authority (CA) and >>>>> begin to engage in using the technology. This is not a walk in the park. >>>>> Transnexus is one of two public CA's in the U.S. today. They are experts >>>>> on >>>>> the subject and can help you through both processes. In order to get the >>>>> best call attestation you must prove to the PA and CA that you are a bono >>>>> fide service provider and not a bad-acting enterprise on a network that >>>>> deserves lesser attestation levels. >>>>> >>>>> One of the registration requirements is a SP 's access to valid national >>>>> phone number pools. This has been very confusing for some resale providers >>>>> that purchase and use numbers from wholesalers only. If your organization >>>>> does not have it's own numbering resources, you can register using your >>>>> wholesale provider's numbering pool data. Don't assume you have to >>>>> register >>>>> with the FCC and possess your own pool of numbers to become a registered >>>>> SHAKEN SP. >>>>> >>>>> SHAKEN ROBO call mitigation is a new frontier, and obtaining the best >>>>> attestation level possible for a SP is essential to the SP and the SHAKEN >>>>> ecosystem. Register and test for the best attestation level possible. >>>>> Transnexus is a seasoned expert on the subject and a U.S. registered CA >>>>> with >>>>> the PA. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: VoiceOps <voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Carey >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 5:36 PM >>>>> To: Dovid Bender <do...@telecurve.com> >>>>> Cc: Voiceops.org <voiceops@voiceops.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Outsourcing STIR/SHAKEN Setup >>>>> >>>>> I'm a Carrier Consultant who's been helping CLEC, IXC, Paging, Wireless >>>>> and >>>>> VOIP carriers install and maintain their PSTN networks for the the last 20 >>>>> years. I can help clients get their FCC Certification to become a >>>>> STIR/SHAKEN carrier as well as Numbering Resources, NPAC / LSR training, >>>>> etc >>>>> (if you need those pieces). Once my clients get their certification, I >>>>> refer >>>>> them to TransNexus. Jim and his team can help you with the process of >>>>> turning your STIR/SHAKEN services up. >>>>> >>>>> MARY LOU CAREY >>>>> BackUP Telecom Consulting >>>>> Office: 615-791-9969 >>>>> Cell: 615-796-1111 >>>>> >>>>> On 2020-08-31 05:37 AM, Dovid Bender wrote: >>>>> > Hi, >>>>> > >>>>> > Does anyone have a recommendation for a company that get us everything >>>>> > needed for STIR/SHAKEN setup? By setup I mean helping us file to get a >>>>> > cert etc. From the small research I have done there is a lot of >>>>> > fragmented information out there and it would be easier for us to pay >>>>> > someone else to do this then invest our own time to take care of this. >>>>> > >>>>> > TIA. >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards, >>>>> > >>>>> > Dovid >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > VoiceOps mailing list >>>>> > VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>>>> > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> VoiceOps mailing list >>>>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> VoiceOps mailing list >>>>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> VoiceOps mailing list >>>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> _______________________________________________ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> _______________________________________________ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >
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