Hello Jed, I'm clearly no expert and do not claim to be but there are interesting examples of electrical boilers on the Internet.
Here is an interesting link to a electrical water heater that seems comparable to an e-cat unit. http://www.cleaverbrooks.com/Products-and-Solutions/Boilers/Electric/Model-IWH/Index.aspx Would this not be equivalent to a 250 kW ecat unit? Please take a look at the electric brochure and electric boiler book If I'm not wrong this unit is rated to 360 kW, is between 30x30x36 inches and 60x34x40 inches in size (sorry metric sizes not given) not including clearances for pipe work etc, is 100% emission free and is near 100% efficient. There is a lot of detail given in the brochure but it seems in disagreement with what I understood you heard from your HVAC. The performance data on page 30 seems particularly relevant and some of the following pages have interesting engineering information that maybe someone more expert understands. But I do not see why it could not be contained in a shipping container. To me given my very limited knowledge in the field and unless I'm missing something this example makes the e-cat as a device in the container look credible. Stephen > On 15 mei 2016, at 17:58, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Robert Dorr <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a large >> system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to get a >> very good idea of a thermal plants performance. . . . > > It is not difficult when you stick to the ASME codes for instruments and > procedures. You have to a trained HVAC engineer to work with such large > equipment because it can be very dangerous. There are high voltages, high > temperature and so on. A rupture in a 1 MW steam pipe will kill people very > quickly, or critically burn them. I have seen an 80 kW factory boiler in > operation, with the steam vented. It is frightening! Steam pipe breaks in > ship engine rooms and steam locomotives were horrible accidents. > > (My late father worked for 6 years in the engine room of a steamship launched > circa 1910, and he said there were dozens of ways to be killed or maimed by > the equipment. He was, in fact, maimed, which is why he left the merchant > marine did not see combat during WWII.) > > The procedures are described by state laws in every state, but they are all > based on ASME recommendations. > > The full set of boiler inspection procedures are difficult. They are > complicated. They include things like checking combustion efficiency, chimney > safety, emergency shutdown equipment, carbon monoxide levels and so on. Many > of them are over my head, but the ones relating to boiler efficiency are > fundamentally the same as laboratory-scale calorimetry, except on a much > larger scale. They are accurate but not precise by the standards of the > laboratory. I would say they are within 10%, judging by things such as the > lookup table range of values here, for example: > > file:///home/chronos/u-1160197d37ec1500e70f021620dd3bae3f09f41c/Downloads/Boiler%20Efficiency%20Guide.pdf > > See also: > > http://www.nationalboiler.com/blog/uncategorized/ways-to-measure-industrial-boiler-efficiency/ > > https://www.asme.org/about-asme/who-we-are/standards/performance-test-codes > > Measuring boiler efficiency is a critical part of the inspection. When a > boiler operates below rated efficiency, something is seriously wrong with it. > Such as incomplete combustion (smoke), or scale in the tank, or for various > other reasons. So this is always part of the inspection routine. > > The state of Florida has their boiler inspection procedures online, but when > I last checked the links did not work. Look up some other state and you will > see what I mean. Or look at the Boiler Efficiency Guide I linked to above. > > Anyway, to make a long story short, any professional who glances at Rossi's > configuration and data will say "there's no excess heat." Even I can do that. > It is obvious. > > - Jed >
