Yes, we are discussing what the Bible says. Where in the Bible does it say the sun revolves around the Earth? Where does it say the Earth is 6000 years old? That is all I'm asking. IF you want to accept my challenge, show me where the Bible says something that is categorically wrong.
So, you have a problem because it says in one place that Moses wrote the tablets and then it says in another place that God wrote the tablets. Is this the crux of your objection? It's funny cause if you are quibbling about the exact person who had the pen in his hand (or chisel), you could have used a better example from the Bible. When someone helps me with my autobiography, someone like my secretary. Do we say she wrote the autobiography because she was holding the actual pen (or computer in our case)? Or do we say I wrote my autobiography? Both statements are of course True. She wrote my autobiography because she was the one who physically wrote (or typed), at the same time, I can say that I wrote my autobiography because I provided the contents. My friend, you are quibbling over a minor "figure of speech" issue. The Bible does use "figures of speech" you know. Jesus Christ is not a chicken because he said he wanted to gather Jerusalem under his wings. Seems to me that this is a very weak objection. You can do better. Visit some atheist web site and get some ideas from them. But please, do it one at a time so that I can address it properly. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution On 2/01/2013 4:44 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: My friend, you can not debate with someone by putting- the words in his mouth and proceed to demolish it. That a strawman argument. I never believed in geocentrism We were not supposed to be discussing what you *believed*. We were supposed to be discussing what your Bible *says*. Where in the Bible does it say 6000 years is the Earth's age. It can be derived from Bible genealogies using rather simple arithmetic as I am sure you know. You must have adopted some way to weasel around the obvious meaning of words like "morning and evening" and "... lived xxx years and begat ...". Again, you can not put beliefs into someone and proceed to demolish it. Faulty logic. I have never claimed the Earth is 6000 years old. Some of my friends do, and we sometimes argue (discuss) it. But, really, even if I do, what scientific fact - I mean real scientific fact, not conclusions and conjectures and speculations, do you have to say that this is wrong. Yeah yeah, I know about your shellfish study and your ice core data. At best they are not "settled" science, just the opinion of some researcher. It becomes obvious that any science that disagrees with your prejudice will simply be called "unsettled" and "just someones opinion". But it also becomes very obvious that the meaning of most of the statements in your Bible regarding scientific issues is also "unsettled" and "just someones opinion"! So why would anyone care any more for what your Bible says, than what science says? - since what your Bible says is also just unsettled "conjectures and speculations" that can be argued about ad-nauseum. So regarding your supposed contradictions, you acknowledge that it is difficult to "draw out" and yet you proclaim it as a contradiction. Something is wrong with that thinking my friend. This is hardly the forum for discussing Hebrew letters getting dropped from names - particularly when you will only ignore any effort I put into it in much the same way as you ignore anything else that you disagree with. Did you decide who wrote on Moses' second set of tablets? Or where Aaron died? Yeah, just go ahead and weasle away. Most people do that when they been found to be either lying or wrong.
