*independently replicated hey…*
Experiments by Piantelli have shown a connection between transmutation and heat: 6 MeV is produced when a proton cooper pair is absorbed by a nickel atom. A 6 MeV proton is detected as an energetic particle emanation from a copper atom as seen in a cloud chamber as a byproduct of the LENR reaction. Piantelli documents transmutation that is similar in character to the transmutation results put forth by DGT and Rossi for that matter. LeClair has also claimed transmutation and excess heat, but Ed Storms says that does not come from LENR a priori [a priori meaning "you can see that it is true <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth> just lying on your couch: You don't have to get up off your couch and go outside and examine the way things are in the physical world. You don't have to do any science."]. According to Ed, those LeClair transmutation results that he himself has generated must have somehow been produced by hot fusion as the only possible alternative. Of course LeClear has been discredited as a nutjob… but not, IMHO. On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote: > Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: > > In my opinion, the data revealed in the two Defkalion papers for ICCF-17 >> and ICCF-18 contains a wealth of information or all those who take that >> information seriously. >> > > I always take information seriously. But I have seen many, many > experimental errors. Mostly unpublished. Heck, I've *made* many > experimental errors. You have to be very cautious with a radical new > approach such as Defkalion's. You must wait to see it independently > replicated. Or, at least, independently confirmed. Many groups have visited > Defkalion, but not one has published a paper. They are under NDA. The only > thing I have heard from two of them was, in modern slang, "meh," said with > the "McKayla is not impressed" look. > > > >> For example, the transmutation data in the ICCF is very revealing to what >> the underlying nuclear reactions might be. >> > > Either that or it is a mistake. > > > For those who discount transmutation of elements as important in LENR and >> for those who limit their beliefs to deuterium fusion to helium, the paper >> was a disappointment and hard to accept. >> > > Here is the problem with your hypothesis: There are no such people. No > one, anywhere, has ever "discounted" transmutation. There has always been > deep interest in transmutations, from the time they were first reported by > the NRL in 1989, and later by Mizuno and Miley. Everyone has always > considered this vitally important evidence. If people do not find > Defkalion's transmutation claims compelling, it is because those claims > have not been fully reported in detail with a complete description of the > methods and instruments, and because they have not been replicated. > > - Jed > >
