"In the macroscopic world, probabilities do not exist in the same sense
that atoms exist, or energy, or states of matter. "

I suspect Schrodinger's cat would disagree with this statement.  The
microscopic significantly influences the macroscopic world.

The eCat is a perfect example of this.   Until someone open's it up and
observes what's inside, it can go either way.


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe it is fair to say that in quantum mechanics probabilities
> actually exist in the physical sense (assuming the theories are correct).
> In the macroscopic world, probabilities do not exist in the same sense that
> atoms exist, or energy, or states of matter. Instead, probabilities are
> measure of human knowledge. When people are absolutely sure of something,
> the probability is close to 100%. When they are sure an assertion is wrong
> the probability is said to be zero. That has no bearing on whether the
> assertion is actually wrong in the real world. It only describes perception.
>
> People have often thought something is true which turned out to be false,
> or vice versa. The false assertions thought to be true were actually false
> all along, and forever after. They did not suddenly change in any sense.
> Regarding Rossi, he either has something or he does not. The truth of the
> matter does not change because of our perceptions. "Probability" in this
> case is merely a public opinion research outcome, which is never proof of
> anything, and seldom a reliable guide to anything. To establish a more
> rigorous probability you need more experimental data than Rossi has
> provided so far. In that sense, the ELFORSK study "increased the
> probability" that the claim is right. It did not actually reality at all --
> it remains either true or false in the absolute sense. But it gave us a
> somewhat more scientific basis to hazard a guess.
>
> Eventually, absolute proof one way or the other may emerge. Then the
> "probability" will be settled, meaning the state of mind of many people
> will be permanently altered. That would happen, for example, if Rossi sold
> units and even the most skeptical holdouts at places like the DoE and
> *Nature* magazine acknowledged the device is real.
>
> This is not even slightly similar to quantum reification. That is an
> actual physical event, if you believe the physicists.
>
> - Jed
>
>

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