no, what im saying is that in terms of troop deployment overseas in anything but defensive posture, we are under un control. we should NOT attack people unilaterally that have not attacked us. iraq did not attack us.
period. and since weve killed more people in iraq so far than saddam has in the past decade, yeah, id argue over whether or not its better to have him gone. he was a dictator. he was not that bad a one, and there are many worse. but they tend to have favored trading nation status., you know. china. as a start. the traffic analogy was a way of saying, you cannot use 9/11 as justification for iraq. ive lost a friend. i have a co worker who lost her son. to a stupid war in iraq that should NEVER HAVE OCCURED. i have 2 friends there now, and 3 more soon to be there. saddam disarmed. he complied with regulations. the rule of law was being followed in iraq. as for cold blooded mass murderer, and so was abraham lincoln by your logic. after all, a hell of a lot more americans died in teh civil war than have died in iraq under saddam. and they wouldnt have died had lincoln just let them seceed. and yes, the kumbaya was sarcastic. teh precense of mind to not be offended? where do you get off? why would you be offended? others are free to worship as they please. thats whats so great about this country. On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:53:39 -0700 (PDT), Kyle Mcallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. well, since theres been testifiying in front of > > congress and leaks > > and unaltered originals sent to media, yeah, > > actually, we do know for > > sure. > > I'm just saying there is a lot more to this whole > situation than meets the eye, on both sides. > > > 2. the us is a signatory to the un. the us has > > agreed to the uns > > controll in issues that are not about defense. in > > fact, the whole > > reason we went into iraq was becuase of them > > supposedly not doing WHAT > > THE UN ORDERED. so, we went to war, ignoring un > > dictates, becuase of > > un dictates. sure, that makes sense. > > Let me get this straight: you are saying that the UN > has control over all US issues except those of > defense? I hope I read that wrong. Personally, I am > all for the US 'disobeying' the UN, if this is the > case. The US belongs to us, the citizens of the US. > Not to the rest of the world. As far as what the UN > ordered, I do not really care, I do not take orders > from the UN. > > > 3. not touching.. > > ;) > > > 4. it would send a greatmessage to potential allies > > though. > > Such as? Let's all be pushovers together? > > > 5. so, your the kind of person, if someone cuts you > > off in traffic, > > you go and cut someone else off, and blame it on teh > > guy that cut you > > off? > > Where in the hell did you get THAT from what I wrote? > No I don't do things like that, why would I? It would > be pointless and stupid. Traffic actions have nothing > to do with baseless attacks against a civilian populus > whatsoever. > > > Saddam and iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. > > NOTHING to do with > > Al Quaeda. > > Maybe so, maybe not. I would be hard pressed to trust > anything said or 'discovered' from over there. > Regardless, the man was absolutely terrible, and it is > a good thing he has been taken out of power. > > > Osama bin laden HATES Saddam, becuase he > > ran iraq as a non > > secular state. Al Quaeda had been known to bomb > > targets in Iraq > > because of that. > > The statement "my enemies' enemy is my friend" is not > true most of the time, particularly when dealing with > nations like Iraq and present company. > > > who complains that > > the troops and > > equipment that were sent to afghanistan, where those > > who attacked us > > actually ARE, were pulled out and sent to iraq. > > ohh, wait. i do. > > thats right. > > You do? How about close friends who I have not seen > for over a year, who have been nearly killed (maybe > some have been), whose families have worried daily > about them, and who upon return now face being sent > back? These guys, the ones who are now able to > communicate with me again, have told me stories from > 'over there', and many of these stories are rather > grim. We all tend to agree, it should have been > handled more swiftly. It is also interesting that, > from what they have told me, the average Iraqi they > have talked to seems quite glad to be rid of Saddam. > Oh, but I forgot...these guys aren't the media, so > they aren't to be trusted. They are just the ones who > have been mortared, bombed and shot at for a year. > > > > > 6. iraq didnt "butcher" its own people. its human > > rights records > > against protests suck, but the "mass graves" are > > those kurds who we > > told to revolt, and that wed help them, and then we > > abandoned them. > > Well, the US was wrong for not helping like we > promised to. I am not saying the US is always right. > Alot of the time it is wrong, and has done some > incredibly stupid and irrational things. > > > it was a civil war, and any country has the right to > > defend its > > integrity in a civil war. > > By killing its own people in droves? Saddam is a mass > murderer, to deny this and to deny that it is good > that he is no longer in power is insanity. > > As to UN sanctions preventing aid, and stupid laws in > the US (there are many), I agree, these things are > ridiculous, and should be stopped. In any case, it > would not be so bad to have allowed help to those in > need...if the ruling body of the people being given > aid suddenly seized the imports and began to use them > for weapons production of some kind, then you get rid > of said ruling body. > > <snip input on the Universal Service Act> > > Interesting points. Unfortunately, this thing has the > potential to be taken off the proverbial deep end, if > implemented. > > > 8. nope, its real. but misstated and fearmongered > > on line > > Someone should notify Symantec...its the newest online > fear-virus, courtesy of the US congress. ;) > > > lets all sing now! kumbaya my non denominational > > lord and/or insert > > faith or lack thereof here, kumabaya! > > Interesting way to put things....this particular way > of speaking has become popular nowadays, it seems, > particularly with the younger generations, including > my own (which I will politely decline affiliation > with). Personally, I am strong enough to not be > offended when someone prays to Buddha in my presence, > or says "May Allah bless you", or whatever the case > may be. Our modern society is too obsessed with making > sure that they don't offend someone with what they > say. Are we now a society of babies with our poor > little feelings to get hurt by what the bad man said? > "He said 'Christ' in public, he's trying to force me > to be a christian, waaaaah." "I don't like it that you > have xxxxxxxx clothing brand on, I demand that all the > children be force to wear one uniform and > look/think/act/react alike." It's all great stuff. And > probably bad for progress and free thinking. > > Then again, you might have been just kidding with the > modification to Kumbaya. Be rather unmelodic to sing > it that way... ;) > > > now then. the x prize has been won, and st helens > > has a stomach ache. > > other than that, dunno. > > "Mount St. Helens erupted again! Blew the top clean > off, eebedeyedbede that's all, folks!" --Johnny > Carson, portraying Walter Cronkite speaking in the > voice of Porky Pig. > > --Kyle > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > -- Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. -G.K. Chesterton
