At 9:23 AM 10/20/4, RC Macaulay wrote: >Heffner mentioned randomness. In automatic flow control a setpoint is >maintained by selecting a proportional band and determining the number of >resets per minute that would permit the control to average the flow. The >randomness is controlled by permitting freedom within limits.
I think randomness at this scale is not so much based on quantum randomness (except for the butterfly effect) as it is in the quasi-randomness of systems wherein motion is described by differential equations. Typically such systems can be nearly perfectly stablized with the right controls. If you are looking for free energy from a vortex the odds are slim! You might try looking in the archives at www.escribe.com/science/vortex under the keyword "Yusmar". Proving free energy, even if you have it, is tough too, and it typically requires energy balancing experiments, not power measuring experiments ... unless that holy grail of a self sustaining device can be obtained! That is not to say that the fundamental assumption of the existence of free energy, or at least an economically tappable new source of energy, is not practically a mantra of myself or this group in general! I feel compelled to suggest that the free energy from a 15 kW pump may be trivial compared to the renewable energy in the offing from a 100 million gallons a day of wastewater! Recovery of this energy in the form of oil or direct energy may be very feasible using pressure cooking or other means. Fred Sparber, on this list, has lots of ideas and experience along those lines. Regards, Horace Heffner
