In the previous post it was shown that velocity in the third 
hierarchical bounded-dimension involved a helical path. Now 
the next subducted dimension, the fourth hierarchical bounded 
dimension (not to be confused with time) would seem to lead 
us into completely new territory, a unit that becomes a new 
universe of phenomena.

Interestingly enough the solenoid is a very well known 
precedent for this, i.e. a current-carrying coil of wire that 
acts like a magnet when a current passes through it. 

Now in a previous post (Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:02:19) 
http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m31209.html

I wrote,

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                              .........It has long struck 
     me that magnetic flow lines cannot be at right angles 
     electric flow lines. In short, we must have the same 
     situation as in a ring vortex with a spiral helical 
     flow around a axial orbital flow. Thingees at right 
     angles don't interact coz there's no resolved 
     component to drive the minor flow along.
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and of course, as all you electrical-geeks <grin> well appreciate, 
the three bounded-dimension solenoid leads to a one dimensional 
magnetic flux up its axis.

Now magnetic flux is a whole new ball game as one would expect by 
opening up a subducted fourth dimension, eh!  8-)

Logically {and as Mr.Spock's younger brother, I am very logical) 
it  follows that if we drive a magnetic flux around a helix we 
will enter an entirely new phenomenological space. What space I 
haven't the faintest idea but I am sure all you experimental 
geniuses will soon investigate and let me know.

You asked for suggestions, Keith, and I've given you one. Not 
only that, but I have given you a solid theoretical argument 
for believing that it will open up a new territory.

Let's hope my fellow anglophones stake their claims before the 
Beautiful Islanders beat them to it. (I should explain that the 
"Beautiful Island" is not, as Jones imagined, the island of 
Britain, but the island of Formosa. I believe it's a translation 
from Portuguese).

I can think of two places where [Coil-[coil-[coil-...[coil]...]]] 
structure are important. One is in DNA and the other is in rope 
manufacture.

Also, very familiar example to anyone who has ever wound up a 
model plane's elastin motor is the way that the elastic forms 
a series of knots as the propeller rotated. When these first 
order knots have spread along the complete length of the motor, 
larger second order knots begin to form. One can imagine that 
if the elastic was of a very sticky composition then it might 
suddenly break up into a stream of individual blobs of tightly 
wound balls of elastic in much the same way as a stream of 
water from a tap breaks up into individual drops of water. Come 
to think of it, a hierarchy of vortices is probably involved 
in that process too. Simple experimentation should confirm this 
point.

If hydrogen is generated by electric discharges, as Paul Rowe 
affirms, then it must be the result of a high order subducted 
three bounded-dimensions velocity. We know that buckyballs
of carbon form at the m-th order, say. I see no reason why the 
equivalent nested materon "buckyballs" shouldn't form protons
at the n-th order, say.

Cheers

Grimer

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