Hello from the Wave Structure of Matter

Sun, 28 Nov 2004 02:19:49 -0800

Hello Vortex theorists,
I received a nice letter from Colin (below) that I have given a (slightly) long reply to, and which explains my presence here. I apologise if I come across as absolute (about space and its properties) and hope that i do not offend you too much with my criticisms (see letter below). I wish you all the best, and think these 'fringe / alternative' groups ( vortex group, WSM group) are important to discuss information that is currently ignored by the mainstream science.
Will enjoy reading your posts, but will not be able to contribute much as i have a rather large website that is in great need of work.
Sincerely,
Geoff Haselhurst
 
PS - I did read the posting guidlines (which are good) - sorry if this email is a bit long.
 
Hi Colin,
Thanks for your letter.
Cold fusion is both interesting and important considering the state of our world.
I wrote to Ed Storms (nice guy) a while back as I used some of his article on the Open-Site encyclopaedia where I am an editor in the physics / philosophy sections (as well as on my own site, as quoted below).
 
I am glad that you have joined the WSM group.
Like you I read a lot of posts, but do not have time to reply to most.  And as I do not devote enough time to this group (as a good moderator should) thus it tends to drift about with no real direction or organisation. And like many groups i suspect, it is largely dominated by the ideas of a handful of (WSM) theorists whose ideas are similar to Milo Wolff and I, but differ in some important ways that i (frustratingly) think cause confusion and make it difficult for the WSM to move forward with any harmony. The good and the bad of a discussion group I guess - hopefully once I have finished revising my website (over next 6 to 12 months) I will have more time for the group.  As I am cc this to WSM group! I should also emphasise that I have great respect for those in the group who have contributed their time and talents over the past year (more a criticism of me as moderator!).
 
With respect to Vortex theory I also have a page on that which is very critical of the idea of space 'flowing'. I must rewrite it soon as it is poorly written at the moment and i do not really want to offend vortex theorists!, even though i disagree with them at a fundamental metaphysical level. As a philosopher / metaphysicist i am very dominated by the reasoning that reality must be founded on One thing / substance existing which causes and connects the many things that we experience. As Leibniz writes;
Reality cannot be found except in One single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another.
I do not conceive of any reality at all as without genuine unity. (Gottfried Leibniz, 1670)
 
This unity of reality is central to both philosophy and metaphysics, that truth requires knowledge of necessary connections between things. The WSM explains this connection, but only if we assume space is One continuously connected wave medium - thus it has no parts, and it cannot flow (which is an empirical thing, founded on our observations of loosely connected wave centers, as I see metaphysics / WSM).
So it seems that WSM and Vortex theory both agree that matter is a structure of space, that particles and time are both human constructions, caused by the motion of space. The difference is that WSM is founded on wave motion of a nearly rigid (slightly elastic) space, Vs Vortex theory's motion of space itself (which I don't see as possible, or having any ultimate meaning.)
This is how I see it at least.
 
I also strongly believe that it is pretty much impossible to change a person's mind once their opinion is formed. (I do not think in general humans are very good philosophers! even though they are generally nice). While I try to be a good philosopher I realise that these human limitations of our mind also apply to me!
But I will join the vortex group and try and post a few things, as their thoughts will be interesting, and I think it is important that cold fusion theorists consider the WSM as a way of explaining why resonance and environment play such a large part in LENR.
 
Again, thank you for such a nice letter. It is encouraging for me to realise that there are people who are interested in understanding the physical reality of our world (and its useful manifestations).
All the best,
Geoff
 
cc Milo Wolff, WSM Discussion Group
 

Dear Geoff, Karene,

I'm forwarding part of a post by Jones Been over to you just in case you wish to join the Vortex forum, which also deals with an unusually good level of analysis of some subjects that you display on your web site. IMO, innovative ideas and knowledge from it's members, mostly LENR, but anything unusual or interesting regarding energy or the nature of space or gravity seems to be grist. Nothing is taboo but rarely are UFO's spoken about unless it's a reference to a scientific study of some kind. (Not that there is anything wrong with that :)  Rarely do I see sneering or a flame war. Most disagreements are cordial, or are discovered to be a choice of words needing clarification. Most of the long term members are now old friends. It is maintained by Bill Beaty and when Vortex started many CF researchers were members.
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<http://www.escribe.com/science/vortex/m32377.html>
QUOTE:
"[...]
The applet is near the top of:
<http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Alternative-Energy-Cold-Fusion.htm>"


"This site is maintained by a fellow (from Oz) named Geoff Haselhurst (who I'm surprised has not found this forum yet) and who has this part of his website
dedicated to LENR, along with metaphysics and other weird and wonderful ideas.
[...]"
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(BTW, I am not a scientist myself, just a layman interested in gravity and space. I have been on the Vortex forum for over 10 years,
(<http://www.amasci.com/weird/wvort.html>, if you wish to subscribe.)
but I only lurk there, rarely posting, just reading. Therein I have been watching this new science of Cold Fusion going through it's birth pangs..  and btw I have just now joined your Yahoo Group The Wave Structure of Matter.
Thank you :-)
Best Regards,
Colin

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