At 08:59 am 30-01-05 -0800, you wrote:
>"Iconoclastic" -
>Adj. Characterized by attack on the established belief structure or the 
>institutions which uphold it.
>
>How can a nearby spiral galaxy contain a quasar whose light spectrum indicates 
>that it is billions of light years away?
>
>It cannot if the normal, and almost universally held, assumptions on which our 
>"mainstream cosmological paradigm" have based for the past 50 years - are 
>correct.
>
>But it can and they are not. 
>
>One of many such stories:
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050111115201.htm
>
>Some few observers (outside the mainstream) might consider this finding to 
>make a 'prima facie case' that red-shift is NOT an accurate measure of 
>distance, and that there is a very strong gravitational component to redshift, 
>and by inference that *everything*... well, if that is so great an 
>exaggeration lets say: __almost everything which science now assumes about the 
>age and dynamics of our universe is incorrect__   that the universe may NOT be 
>expanding at all, and certainly not in an inflationary manner, and 
>furthermore, that there is no necessity for a "big bang" at all, from a 
>re-evaluation of the evidence. 
>
>A sequential succession of "little bangs" fits the evidence better (in size, 
>each would be the extent of our "Virgo supercluster," for instance, which was 
>our particular "little bang"). 
>
>Is the preceding analysis (of the "#1 neglected science news story of the past 
>decade") is the iconoclastic conclusion just the raving hyperbole of a 
>professional iconoclast? ... perhaps, but if it were not so shocking... 
>especially to the career status of so-called experts, maybe it would be 
>considered an understatement, as much more could be made of this finding 
>(including a "cover-up"), because....
>
>We have actually known details about several of these red-shift "anomalies" 
>for at least 20 years, maybe longer, but they have been consistently pushed 
>aside by the professional mainstream of cosmology as something akin to 
>"measurement error" (sound familiar, vortexians?). This is because the 
>implications of them being accurate are not just "unsettling," they are 
>absolutely devastating to the majority viewpoint. Now that firm and undeniable 
>proof is beginning to accumulate, to the stage that it can no longer be 
>censored and held in abeyance, and it is starting to leak-out around the 
>seams.... when will the dam break?
>
>In the meantime, readers of vortex will probably be among the few on the 
>fringes of science who really appreciate the impact of this coming 
>"icononclash"... as a similar situation is also ongoing in the alternative 
>fields which they follow most intently. Note to mention past high level 
>cover-ups.
>
>Jones


Interesting - and now for a bit of name dropping - ;^)

I remember corresponding with Halton Arp after Clayton 
and I read his fascinating book on this subject some 20 
years or so ago - I seem to remember he was then working 
in Germany.

I even carried out a mathematical analysis on the 
probability of his "lines of quasars" having a 
statistically significant alignment.

I'm glad to see that his discoveries are finally 
getting through to the astronomical establishment.

About ruddy time, too!!!

Grimer

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