I was asked in private email if this piece was a total
spoof, or if some of it was factual. The answer is that much
of it was presented to me as factual, but from a source
that... let us say, has an obvious "agenda" other than
scientific advancement. Without an official acknowledgement,
especially from Russia, which is where the process was
invented, we may never know for sure... and that is why it
was presented as a spoof.

And as to the assertion.
"How cheap is this new form of H2? A few Russian defectors
and geologists (the one's not on corporate payrolls) say
that it is already cheaper to produce H2 there than methane
(if water is available locally)."

This does not sound logical at first glance, given that the
methane is naturally present in the earth at high pressure,
and by comparison, water would need to be pumped down under
pressure in order to make hydrogen from silicides, assuming
they were as ubiquitous as claimed (don't have a clue).

This is all new to me also, but in thinking about the total
situation, it may not be that far off in hypothetical
factuality. In fact geologic-hydrogen formed from
pressurized water pumped down could indeed be considerably
cheaper than methane-  at the well-head (per btu)... if such
things as exploration costs were low (i.e. if finding large
silicide deposits with nearby water were no more expensive
than finding natural gas).

The big cost in either case is drilling the well, right? OK
once that has been accomplished, methane starts to flow
based on its pressure at the source, but in the case of
hydrogen, energy would need to be added to the water being
sent down.

For hydrogen one would need to pump water down under
pressure and the hydrogen returning would be pressurized
based on some fraction of the pressure of the water going
down. We will assume that the water is free, and that the
cost of the borehole and well is about the same in either
case, and the cost of necessary explosion to fracture the
silicides in not significant, relative to the cost of the
well.

The question then resolves to how much energy in the form of
methane vs energy in the form of hydrogen can be removed per
unit of time from the same sized bore and well.

After thinking about it for  a while, I think the about 3
times more energy in the form of hydrogen can be removed,
even considering that the water pipe carrying the
pressurized water would take away some of the net volume
from the bore hole of the hydrogen well. Natural gas wells
have natural pressure ranging from 10,000 to 2000 psi but it
declines over time. But water can pumped cheaply up to the
strength limits of steel pipes, and one could end up with
hydrogen at double or triple the average pressure of
methane.

Hydrogen has about three times the energy content of
gasoline, propane or methane weight per unit weight. Due to
its low density, however, if we compare volumes instead of
masses, a liter of room temperature hydrogen has 2.7 times
less energy than methane. But that is far from the end of
the story as hydrogen is much more volatile and easier to
pump and pressurize. I am trying to find some authoritative
answers on this, but my guess is that hydrogen formed from
geologic silicides is cheaper to extract than methane per
btu, perhaps by a wide ratio.

Not to mention that it is easy to see how this process could
have been discovered accidentally, as underground explosions
to rejuvenate natural gas wells are old technology, and were
developed in Russia - and water or steam injection has been
known and used for years in some of those 60 year old gas
fields which were the aim of Hitler to steal. Perhaps on one
occasion the Russians exploded some silicates deposits
accidentally and got tons of hydrogen coming out, instead of
methane. That does not sound far-fetched at all, nor would
the fact that it is still (almost) a secret, held over from
the cold war.

Maybe this whole story (political overtones and all) isn't
really so far-fetched after all, and maybe I should not have
spoofed the idea, but why is their no good info on the net,
if it is for real?

... or was that question answered in the spoof?

Jones

This episode, like many wild ideas which appear in the
context of a fringe or off-beat new-group like vortex ....
is a somewhat warped reminder of the Ted Sturgeon story
called "Brownshoes," (part of "Sturgeon Is Alive and Well: A
Collection of Short Stories") about a visionary hippie who
invented a perpetual motion machine, and must then resort to
the "unthinkable" that is to "turn establishment" (i.e. put
on the brown shoes) in order to get the idea accepted by the
rest of society.

BTW, Theodore Sturgeon, like Phillip K. Dick and GK
Chesterton are three of the great almost-unknown finds in
all of "thought-provoking literature" - that classification
being writers who could stun you with incredibly insightful
ideas, usually in short pieces, even if their writing
ability was not always the best...


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