Hi Thomas, > From: thomas malloy
... > Not at all, we call our religion Messianic Judaism. > We keep Sabbath and the Levitical Festivals and do our > best to be Torah Observant. Thanks for the clarification. I can pretty much respect anyone who remain true to their own school. I only wish to add here that, IMHO, there are many schools that one can remain true to. ... > If you ignore the Hebraic roots of Christianity you can > twist the Bible into a pretzel and be able to justify the > beliefs of groups like the KKK. I'm not responsible for their > beliefs and actions. I visited the website of a pastor who > claimed to be a Christian, but who hated those ---- Jews. I > asked him if he had heard that Jesus and 11 of the 12 > apostles were Jews, number 12 being a prostalite, a > gentile convert to Judaism? I've yet to receive a reply. Most > Jew haters are pagan, some just don't like to admit it. The > worst person that you can lie to is yourself. BTW, the man > who founded the KKK, was Albert Pike, a famous Free Mason, > and Satanist. I've learned through our recent public OT vortex-l discussions that you are an exceedingly perceptive and intelligent. You appear to be well informed on a number of intellectual, philosophical, and scientific fronts. I've discovered that you possess a rich abundance of eclectic interests. In other words, You're SMART! But then you make a patently absurd statement like "Most Jew jaters are pagan, some just don't like to admit it." I repeat. Thomas, that is an absurd statement. What I find distressing is the realization that, based on our past conversations, I KNOW you are both intelligent and perceptive enough to realize how stupid making such a judgment call really is. I have pagans friends and acquaintances. I've known these "pagans" for decades. The "pagans" I've known over the years don't have the time or inclination to hate jews. On the other hand being "pagan" appears to have taught many of them the meaning behind to word "tolerance" since many of them have experienced first hand the bigotry of others, of how ignorant individuals in our society have unfortunately acquired the irrational belief that "pagans" must be performing all sorts of horrible secret rituals in their basements or garage, maybe even sacrifice a baby or two. It's been my observation that the pagans I've known over the years tend to spend their resources on being concerned about improving the condition of Gaia, the environment, and each other. > With respect to Islam. the webmaster of www.prophetofdoom.net, > Craig Winn, and I are of the opinion that the Wahabis and > other fundamentalist Islamists have the correct > interpretation of the Qu'ran. I highly recommend Mr. Winn's > book as a truthful look at the true nature of Islam. The "correct" interpretation? The writing of history, which includes the interpretation of religious text, tends to be rewritten by the victor. Such rewrites, however, don't make their version any more "truthful" than an myriad of interpretations held by the looser. ... > > I throughly enjoyed marijuana, but I came up with some > really stupid ideas when stoned. It was my experience that it seemed to take forever to cut a grapefruit when stoned. > If your scenario is correct, and Carl > ignored the religious teachings of the hospice workers > who ministered to him in his final days and died without > accepting Yeshua as Lord and Savior, then he had even > more stupid ideas than I did. IMHO, you are making judgment calls on the spiritual welfare of people you've never met when it would be wiser to simply focus on sweeping the floors of your own mansion. Some in our society would consider your judgment calls on the spiritual health of others exceedingly arrogant, and I can't say I would blame them. My father died last January after a long battle against cancer. During those last couple of months of my father's life I observed an increase in his desire to observe religious rituals. This is understandable as rituals, in my view, are meant to help us focus on the important issues, as well as give us comfort. My father was Episcopalian. One day his priest came to his bedside to give communion. I climbed in bed, sat next to my dad and shared in the ritual of communion. It was not because I'm Episcopalian (I'm not), but because I wanted to share in the ritual with my father. I especially appreciated the part where the priest asked my dad to give HIM communion. It brought home the fact that we are all the same and equal under one roof - just as Jesus performed the ritual of washing the feet of his disciples. I observed a number of thoughtful, caring, and highly perceptive hospice workers who came in to check in on the welfare of my father. They were all very good at listening to and administering to his needs. However, none of these hospice workers behaved in such an arrogant manner as to feel it was their duty or spiritual obligation to administer religious teachings to my father, to make sure he was "saved". The meanings behind most religious rituals including the act of saving the souls of loved ones are, IMHO, meant to help us focus on the important issues, to give us all comfort. Unfortunately, most of these rituals begin to lose their purpose when those administering the "sacred" act begin to believe that the ritual itself is more important than what the act was designed to address in the first place. The most important ritual I personally observed in regards to "saving" my father's soul as he negotiated his way to the after life was an impromptu act my brother performed when we took his body to the crematorium. Earlier in the day my brother took out an envelope and put five bucks in it. He discreetly slipped the envelope into our father's pant leg. Later, at the crematorium my brother took out a magic marker pen and wrote the following note on his casket: "Don't forget to tip the boatman - love Norm." My brother's action is the ritual I will remember till I die. It is the one that gives me comfort, the one that brought tears to my eyes. The ritual that my brother and I personally participated in to save the soul of my father would not necessarily work for others or even have any meaning. I'm cool with that. ... > > > >And what happens after the temple is rebuilt? > > The sacrificial system is reinstituted. This > will be stopped during the midpoint of the > tribulation by the man commonly known as the > Anti Christ. The existence of the Temple is > necessary for there to be a Holy of Holies, > in which he will sit down (only a king can do > that), and declare himself to be god. > > In other words, stay tuned. And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. Regadrs, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
